14. Beware - a word of wisdom or knowledge can expose error
Early in the history of our time in New Life, my wife received a vision during prayer time with our elder and other members in the church and she had duly shared it with the leadership, including giving a written copy to them:
"Praying with Roy Warne and Colin Lewis, I had a 'picture' of a root with a horrible black slug-like root trying to attach itself. It was an 'underground' picture. The words, "Be careful a bitter root does not grow up" were impressed upon my heart - I felt this was a very real warning and also felt that the Lord was 'calling' us to bring all our past 'hurts' to Him for His healing power."
Zoë shared this with Kevin whose only comment was that he knew about "wheat and tares" and he refused to believe that this was not the interpretation. Zoë always asks other people to check out what God has given her (ref. 1 Thessalonians 5v19-22), even when she knows the interpretation, and she knew that "wheat and tares" wasn't the answer. She later shared the details with a women's meeting in the pastor's house and his wife, Gill, read Hebrews 12v15-16:
"See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no ROOT OF BITTERNESS springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled; that there be no immoral or Godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal."
Zoë was already sure what the vision meant and this Scripture confirmed it. But how do you tell the pastor's wife, a gentle, loving Christian woman who was sadly naïve, that her husband is the problem? We knew that the problem with the pastor was five-fold: "fear, criticism, anger, jealousy....and LIES." Every one of these traits had been exhibited when there was no need for an abnormal reaction. Symptomatic of the problems this pastor caused in the church was the example witnessed by a young married couple who asked for pastoral help from Tugwell, because of the husband's uncontrollable anger. They received this advice: "Don't worry about it - I've always had a bad temper and it has never caused me any problems." We could see the falsehood of this claim by observing Kevin's actions. As the "church counsellor" I could not agree with any Christian giving this opinion because it is dangerously un-Scriptural:
"the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness ....and self-control;" against such things there is no law....those who belong to Christ Jesus have CRUCIFIED THE FLESH WITH ITS PASSIONS AND DESIRES" (Galatians 5:22-24).
Our solitary elder, Roy Warne, who was too tied into Tugwell's 'Evangelistic Ministry' to be objective, made only one comment: "There was some bitterness when we left the City Temple, but that is all forgiven and forgotten now." I made no comment as I did not want to influence his opinion in the matter and God had clearly given him no leading on the situation. Meanwhile, Kevin had sent a letter from America giving his itinerary and stating that God had shown him clearly that his future ministry was 'in and through New Life church in Llanishen.'
15. Beware the coward who attacks you from the safety of his sermon
Kevin returned from the USA and called a special meeting to be held directly after the evening church service. Before that meeting, in his sermon entitled "The Days of Noah," Kevin spoke about The Signs of the Times:
"....and the signs for the church to look for are, specifically, such things as the increase of the cults; obsession with the occult. And there's a lot of people that used to be able to speak about the obsession with the occult and they used to just think that we were talking about the people outside Christianity. But the great problem is that there are many people inside the church who are obsessed with the occult. I know of meetings - we saw meetings in days just gone by, where people have preached and have spoken about the occult and more about the power of the devil than of Jesus Christ and it is time for the Church to get its' act together and to start realising that ''just because you don't like someone it's no good saying they've got a devil and they need to be delivered.'' I get so angry when people start to ascribe to Satan the power that belongs only to God."
The stamping, raging, "frothing at the mouth" performance had to be seen and heard to be believed and it was clear who it was directed at. It also caused the loss of another family to the church, for they declared: "We don't want to hear this angry rubbish." He knew of my involvement in witnessing to the cults and I had caught him sneering at my involvement in such 'evangelism' before and know, from his wife's testimony, that he had no interest in helping her to witness to Jehovah's Witnesses at the door and merely snapped at her to 'read her Bible!'
16. Beware the deceiver who accuses without witnesses
In the week leading up to this service Zoë had another vision, as she stood praying at the kitchen sink while working, of a load of stinking garbage being thrown over her. She was given the interpretation that the garbage was verbal abuse being hurled at her. At the commencement of Kevin's 'special meeting' after the church service he opened by informing us that he had felt "in his spirit, while he was away in America, that there was 'trouble in the church.'" What he didn't know was that a prophetic word was received (from another pastor) that Kevin would cause trouble in the church when he came back from America. Kevin then warned us (at length) about forming a breakaway group and concluded: "If that is the case - I don't want you to - but you can go." Kevin then inferred that we (the seven accused) could be the "Bridgend New Life" troublemakers - a group from that town who, he claimed, were causing trouble by using the same name. I simply did not believe they existed and took this to be a figment of his jealous, disturbed 'Saul-like' (1 Samuel 18:10-16) ravings. His brother, Bob Tugwell, chipped in with the story of a young girl at the City Temple who was looked on, by some people, as having a great spiritual gift so that some of them even asked her advice on whether to sell their houses. This was clearly directed at Zoë.
Zoë looked at me in tearful disbelief and asked what was going on. I told her to keep calm as these foolish accusations rained down. Kevin claimed that: 'someone' in the church had said that the church couldn't be anywhere except Llanishen 'because Zoë said so.' Kevin took this to infer that this person, and possibly others, looked on Zoë as the leader of New Life! It was amazing how often Kevin used: 'someone has said …' to accuse people. It was obvious that gossip and utter fabrication played a large part in the reasoning processes of this man. As I listened to the accusations I couldn't help but remember the prophetic visions and knew that God had warned us that this would happen. What we witnessed exactly demonstrated the summary of the visions: "fear, criticism, anger, jealousy....and LIES."
Tugwell jumped to conclusions and invented evidence in a smear campaign, and used it to mount an angry, vitriolic, and totally unwarranted attack on the seven "on trial" without even asking for their version of events. Zoë and one of the young girls, Kerry, were soon reduced to tears by this performance. Can you imagine a judge in a court case drawing conclusions without allowing all the evidence to be heard? The hypocrisy of Tugwell was often revealed in his own sermons - on one of his less 'Saul-like' days he spoke very clearly (in a sermon entitled "What On Earth Is A Christian?" - 7th May, 1989), of the way that Christianity has influenced the UK law and parliamentary system (quoting Lord Tonypandy). It was interesting to compare his preaching to his actions and then wonder how he could attack the spirituality of others in the church, as he often did, accusing them of having: "a lot of the old Adam in them." A pastor like Tugwell continuously attacks other Christians and denominations, not over major, or even minor, doctrinal errors that he can prove, but in vague and vacuous terms. But he is clearly in no position to point out 'the plank in another's eye' (Matthew 7:5). Tugwell even attacked a generous Christian (who had gone out of his way to help our family), because of his family relationships, while he was himself guilty of neglecting his own family, even departing for his 'evangelistic crusades' leaving them short of money for food. In case any reader thinks that 'judge not less ye be judged' (Matthew 7:1) is appropriate, studying the clear teaching in the Greek would be efficacious and show that we are called to judge. The later Case History II (Section 36) gives further evidence of the ignorance of contemporary Christians when it comes to 'judging' the body of Christ.
As Tugwell's ranting continued in this meeting, Elder Roy Warne said he had felt a failure as a leader while Kevin was away - he had a heart condition and complained of tiredness, and a heavy work-load. At this point Zoë went on her knees before Roy weeping and saying, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry...I didn't know...." Her voice was drowned out by Kevin shouting: "No, Zoë. I've had THIS from you before. You can say sorry later." At this point one of the young girls, Kerry, also burst into tears because she was so upset at the way Kevin treated Zoë. Kevin showed a total lack of grace, love and compassion, and continued to rail at the 'gang of seven.' This attack on Zoë was later described by one of the witnesses, Linda Alexander, in the following way: "I thought you had disappeared; I wondered where you had gone. He spoke to you as if you weren't there; as if you were a piece of shit." To say that those who witnessed this debacle were outraged by Tugwell's performance would be an understatement. Kevin demanded, "Is there anyone else here who feels the same way?"
I calmly explained to those present that, in my role as counsellor, I had invited people to a prayer meeting after church and sent Zoë to ask Roy to authorise the meeting and, obviously, to be present in his capacity as elder. There was absolutely no question of the meeting being any sort of élitist "break-away" group. Zoë had invited Roy and made it clear that it was important for him to be at the 'offending' prayer meeting. But Roy had become angry and came out with an outburst of , 'I'm in charge', which was witnessed by other members of the church.
Nick, the supposed victim according to Tugwell's fevered ranting, was also clearly angry at what he was witnessing and questioned Kevin's authority to act this way. He was given an un-Scriptural lecture from Kevin who insisted that there was 'a pecking order' and 'leaders had a special place.' The description of the relationship between members of 'the body' is largely explained in 1 Corinthians 12 and it was already clear long before this that Tugwell has a serious problem with relationships which have been dictated by the Holy Spirit:
18 But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired. 19 And if they were all one member, where would the body be? 20 But now there are many members, but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; or again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you." 22 On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary; 23 and those members of the body, which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our unseemly members come to have more abundant seemliness, 24 whereas our seemly members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked, 25 that there should be no division in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. 26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it. 27 Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it. 28 And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. 29 All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? 30 All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? 31 But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way.
The 'still more excellent way' is described in 1 Corinthians 13 and we soon saw the way in which this deceiver responded to the appeal 'to love'! We had clearly seen that he was willing to reject the teaching of Scripture regarding Chapter 12. Zoë had brought up the subject of the 'body ministry' (which is clearly described here and in Romans 8 and Ephesians 4) with him soon after we joined the church and he had claimed that: "It doesn't work!" Scripture doesn't work? No - it certainly won't work with a 'wolf' like Tugwell savaging the sheep in the fold. When we read these Scriptures it is perfectly clear that this 'body ministry' involves the whole church and is not a vehicle for some to 'lord' is over the others in the way that this deceiver has clearly been used to in his career as a serial impostor (Ephesians 4:11-24):
11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fulness of Christ. 14 As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves, and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; 15 but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him, who is the head, even Christ, 16 from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by that which every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love. 17 This I say therefore, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; 19 and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality, for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness. 20 But you did not learn Christ in this way, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, 22 that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, 23 and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth. 25 Therefore, laying aside falsehood, SPEAK TRUTH, EACH ONE of you, WITH HIS NEIGHBOR, for we are members of one another. 26 BE ANGRY, AND yet DO NOT SIN; do not let the sun go down on your anger, 27 and do not give the devil an opportunity.
Again, the tests for the ego-centric leader (Section 8) show the traits of Tugwell:
a. megalomaniac; (Jude 12)
b. he must be first, best, and greatest; there is no place for the small and insignificant; James 2v1-7; Ephesians 6v9; Luke 7v7-14; 1 John 4v20; 1 Samuel 2v7-8
c. if you oppose him you are put down or manipulated into submission - often by public humiliation disguised as "jokes"; James 4v11-12; Galatians 5v15; Proverbs 13v3; 21v23
d. he uses authority as a weapon to control & reject others in the body - as opposed to the Scriptural description of the body of Christ: Romans 12; 1 Corinthians 12; Ephesians 4
e. someone is always against him and opposing him.
After the meeting even Nick told me how horrified he was at Kevin's treatment of Zoë and that he had felt like telling him to "sod off" and wanted to storm out. He also told me that 'Deacon' Robert Tugwell had asked him before the meeting if anyone was giving him trouble and that he had replied in the negative, but Robert told him that if he heard that anyone was giving him trouble, 'He would be down on them like a ton of bricks.' The deceived will often totally ignore other people's positions of authority and responsibility in the body ministry when it suits them. Always endeavour to consult other members of the body. Even when you feel certain they will reject your Scriptural view and the clear evidence, give them the opportunity to deal with the matter so that they cannot complain they were uninformed or given no chance to take appropriate action (see Case History II - Section 36 - an account of deacons who had assumed positions of leadership, yet failed to follow Scriptural guidelines).
17. Beware the man motivated by money!
Zoë recovered enough to ask Kevin a simple, but most revealing question: "Do you love us?" Kevin began to bluster and went into a long, circular, "Let me answer it this way," reply which began with an explanation of the amount of money that it had cost him to be pastor of New Life (a vital factor in the deceiver's eyes is LOVE of money!). Then he lost control again and blurted out, "I had the chance to be pastor of a $50,000 per year church in … Oh, I didn't mean to say that (colouring up)....well I've started so I'll finish." Kevin then finished the "revelation" that he could have taken over a church, in America, with an income of about $50,000, but was staying in New Life. Kevin never did answer the question: "Do you love us?" - and those present noticed it. The equation with MONEY spoke volumes.
We discovered later that this version of the $50,000 pastorate story was not the whole truth. Kevin had returned from America and instructed the church secretary to type letters to the effect that he was taking up this pastorate and would no longer be available for evangelism. He did not discuss this with the church and it was only discovered more widely because his family were talking about which of them would also go to the USA and who would stay in Wales. We also heard next from a friend who witnessed Kevin speaking at this time in a meeting outside of 'New Life,' when he declared that he was going back into "full time, front line" evangelism. This news only filtered into New Life later, together with the news of the destruction of the first set of letters and the production of a second set of letters announcing this return to "full- time, front-line evangelism." When the church secretary who typed the letters asked why the "about-turn" he laughed it off: "Oh, that was a toe in the water - just a toe in the water."
No wonder Kevin was so embarrassed by his slip of the tongue over the $50,000 story. This also explained a sudden burst of activity on the "tape ministry" front when he began a fatuous series of sermons with pretentious titles, such as: "What to do when you have done what you need to do when you do not know what to do!" Unfortunately for Tugwell, while he was in the USA, he had written a letter to those in 'leadership' positions in the church informing him that 'the Lord' had 'clearly shown him that his future ministry was in New Life' but, when the huge salary was offered, 'the Lord' changed his mind! Does God change his mind in this manner? Scripture is clear on this :
Numbers 23:19 : "God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?
1 Samuel 15:29 : "And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man that He should change His mind."
What a pity that none of this was honestly declared to the church - just a succession of deceptions which Elim allowed to continue.
Even after this group of people were insulted without any warrant there was never a word of apology to any of them, or any attempt by the 'leadership' of this church to heal the wounds caused by this one man. Consider also that the direct result of this meeting was that the people who were praying together for the common good of the body of Christ never met again prayer, as before, because they were fearful of upsetting Kevin. We attempted to pick up the pieces and tried to make sure that the young Christians who had been badly hurt by this performance from Tugwell weren't going to storm off, never to return to New Life and perhaps to lose their faith.
18. Beware - the Saulish agenda!
A week later Kevin continued his attack during another 'joke' sermon entitled, "It Ain't What You Do It's The Way That You Do It," in which he spoke on the gift of prophecy (referring to 1 Corinthians 12v10): "....there is today, amongst some, a tendency to use it in a destructive manner - to condemn, to rebuke. Do you know, its always easier, isn't it, to demolish than to build up." It was easy to discern that this was aimed at Zoë. Kevin then went on to claim that this isn't the purpose of the gift - it is 'for edification, exhortation, and to build up.' This is also un-Scriptural, for you can find many Biblical examples of the Israelites receiving clear prophetic warnings about their natures and sins before God - and their reaction was to deny that the prophets' message could be directed at them because: "We're not like that." An example of warning prophecy in the New Testament is also clearly given in Acts 21v10-11. A vision of the church sitting with paper bags over their heads had also been received by Zoë shortly before this debacle. A deceived and blinded church cannot see the deception and the evidence pointed this out clearly even without the vision.
Kevin then launched another attack when he 'phoned our house to inform me that he had heard 'some gossip' that we had left New Life - was this true? I replied that it was not true and we had merely been visiting friends at another church. Kevin then informed me that he was going to take over the Youth Group (Koinonia) next month anyway and it might therefore be better if he took over from me from that Friday! So much for Elim anointed appointments! How can you deal with a supposed Christian leader who pays more attention to gossip and his own ego-trip than to the position given to a member of the body in a recognised Church service? Kevin asked to speak with me 'man to man' (i.e. without any other witnesses) and I agreed to meet him after the next evening service.
At the meeting with Kevin he first tried to tell me that all of the trouble was caused by Zoë being unhappy in the church. He had shown the 'bitter root' vision to Roy and Bob and another pastor in Elim and they all agreed that it was the product of someone who is unhappy in their church! He then moved on to tell me that he now considered that Nick 'wasn't demon possessed' (another 'about face'!) but he considered that incorrect teaching on "demon possession" in Spring Harvest had contributed to that situation. He now insisted that Nick was a Christian, although he admitted that he did not show much sign of sanctification! Compared to who - the pastor - was the thought that passed through my mind? What was Kevin's reason for going back on his previous assessment? Again, none was given. We had two lying deceivers together in a church trying to support each other in their deceptions. If someone goes to church and claims to be a Christian does that make them a Christian? No more than walking into a garage makes you a car! Nick was now claiming to be a Christian but still behaving like a lying pagan - but then, so was the pastor.
I asked Kevin if it had entered his mind that the meeting of the 30th April might have fulfilled the vision - because other people thought so. This subdued him and I asked him to explain his outburst at Zoë, in particular the comment: "I've had THIS from you before." He didn't answer this question but mumbled: "I never mean to hurt people." I asked Kevin if his sermon was directed at certain members of the congregation, specifically the line: "Just because you don't like someone it's no good saying they've got a devil and they need to be delivered." Instead of flatly and rapidly denying it he mumbled, "Did I say that....," and proceeded to reel off reasons why he would never attack someone in a sermon: 'I could never guarantee that the person would be present . . . and it would be a cowardly thing to do anyway.' It was a totally unconvincing explanation and he began his attack again in an incredible manner.
A faithful member of the church, Arthur Saynor, had become a stroke victim and was lying in the local hospital. Because Kevin hardly visited him his wife, Molly, repeatedly asked Zoë to visit with her and this they did daily, often for 4-5 hours per day. Since we have eight children this was a tremendous burden, but Zoë continued to visit with members of our family in turn. Arthur was a keen and talented musician and Molly would ask our children to sing for him to comfort him. At one stage Molly tired of asking Kevin to visit and sought spiritual support from the pastor of our previous church, Byron Jones. Kevin had learned about this and made it clear that he was furious about it by accusing us in this way: 'Someone says you have been hogging Molly and Arthur!' This was simply too pathetic to comment on! I wondered if he would also accuse Zoë of visiting his parents too often, since she also spent hours with them too, and I knew that he rarely bothered with them himself.
Kevin continued with his accusations. He returned to his attempt to force us out by claiming that 'New Life' had no special call to witness to the cults. I had never attempted to gain any support for this work because I was used to the total apathy of churches and Elim is no exception - but, then, they prove to have so many cultish traits these days, giving space to Word-Faith heretics and the experience-driven supporter of Morris Cerullo, Colin Dye! Some of the youth asked me for specific explanations on cult doctrines at meetings and I contented myself with answering their questions. I asked Kevin if he was aware of the reaction shown by people who were at that meeting and of how I had contacted the younger people to make sure that they weren't going to storm off because of the way that they were treated. Kevin showed no signs of caring that eight people were insulted that night and could all have been lost to the church at once. Kevin simply stared blankly when I enquired about his contradictory behaviour and false claims.
In the time we knew him we were amazed at the number of times he would respond when challenged over some pastoral problem with the claim: ' Of course, I was an evangelist first' - and then, when an evangelism problem occurred, he would use the opposite excuse - 'Of course, I was a pastor first!' He closed the meeting without any satisfactory answers to my queries and suggested 'we give it a week and see how it goes.' I did not agree with anything he had accused us of and did not respond to or agree to his 'plan for the future.'
Zoë had continued to try and get help in the church for the situation while I was talking to Kevin and, soon after I returned home, I received a 'phone call from him: 'There were things going on in the hall tonight while we were talking - I know we said a week but I'm calling it a day.' I was very wearied by this sad behaviour and put the 'phone down without comment. The man was clearly in need of help - but who in Elim loved him enough and had the authority to ensure he received that help? I soon found out.
Shortly after this ludicrous meeting we were also treated to a false prophecy from another female member of the church who claimed to have 'a word' from the Lord that: 'Out of all of this will come good - and the leadership will be released in a mighty way!' Satan can use any mouth to add to or increase his deception - especially those who 'prophesy out of their own inspiration' instead of 'listening to the word of the LORD!' (Ezekiel 13:2) . We met this lady a few years later, when she had also left the church, and she was gracious enough to agree that everything Zoë had been shown had come about. Sadly, at the worst time in the church this sister had the opportunity to stand with us for the truth but had backed out by claiming that 'there are still some good things going on.' If we all took this attitude there is no argument that anyone could bring against most religions and cults - there are, for example, some 'good things' going on in the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Mormons, or the Roman Catholic Church. None of them teach a gospel that brings salvation - but they are all doing some 'good works' and 'good things' - which will lead their members straight to Hell! God calls none of these 'things' they are doing good, but when will the church wake up?
It was clear that we would receive no support from the church and that many more people were going to be hurt by this man's behaviour, but what more could we do? Unfortunately for Kevin our previous pastor, Byron Jones, was related to the pastor (Bill Arnold) who had taken over Tugwell's previous church, in Merthyr Tydfil, and we arranged to meet with him. When we spoke to him and described what had happened in Llanishen he informed us that Kevin had exhibited exactly the same behavior in Merthyr and had reduced a church of 200 people to 30! A large section of the church had left and formed a house-group. They all agreed that jealous rages, lying, and the same manner of behaviour which we had seen close up had been traits of Kevin Tugwell in Merthyr! He had been particularly vicious when he returned from one of his 'evangelistic crusades' to find that people had dared to minister in the 'body ministry' roles they held in the church. He clearly could not bear to see Christian working together in the 'body ministry' described so perfectly in Scripture. Who, apart from Satan and his demons, would want to destroy a church in this manner? It didn't surprise me that Kevin, who once had great ambitions to take over the City Temple in Cardiff, had later declared to me in private that the ideal church for him to pastor would be the Heath Evangelical Church in Cardiff! This was a church led by a pastor, Vernon Higham, who gained a major reputation for 'heavy shepherding' after disbanding the elders of his church (apart from those over 70 years of age!) through his 'deciding' vote, and then choosing a new group of elders. Shortly before this time we had counselled a depressed member of the Heath and, in prayer, had been shown a vision of Higham as the root cause of the problem. Why should this be so attractive for Kevin, I wonder, and which spirit would lead him to this ambition?
This account of the fiasco in Merthyr Tydfil explained another of Kevin's stories. Soon after I met him he described how they had moved to their new pastorate in London and were moving in their belongings when he took a break and, as he rested against a radiator with a drink, God spoke to him and said: 'This isn't your place.' He told the story with such pathos in his voice - you almost believed him. Now we knew the truth - it certainly wasn't 'his place' because Elim had obviously moved him there to get him out of hot water! How typical of the Elim denomination in these days - ducking the issue and failing to deal with error, or bring true repentance and healing. I was not surprised to hear that they were plagued by an outbreak of the cult of Branhamism in the Caerphilly church (just outside Cardiff) at about the same time. There are clearly forces at work in many churches in South Wales which have resulted in the closure, on average, of one chapel per week for many years