Date: 11th February 2018
From: Pat Hannah
Subject: Todd Bentley prophecied about Torben Sondergaard's ministry
I see you wrote some negative things about Todd Bentley and, yes, he may have made some mistakes, but I want to let you know that in 2003 he seems to have prophesied correctly about the ministry of Danish reformator Torben Sondergaard being the next thing. And Torben Sondergaard fully acknowledges this prophecy as being about his ministry and quotes it publicly on his blog writing: "Yes, I believe we are seeing the fulfillment of the word that sounded over Denmark."
And Torben is certainly by many seens as a man of God. He will do deliverance on children with autism and shares how he healed many also from cancer. Just watch here:
Torben also teaches us that there's no salvation without baptism and speaking in tongues. Many didn't know before, but find this a revelation certainly from God, but unfortunately not taught in many churches.
If you don't believe me, you can find the prophecy at Torben's blog in Danish plus at several websites. Despite some of these being intended to be hateful they only strengthen the truth of the prophecy being spoken:
If you can't read Norwegian, like me, it won't make much sense, but here's some of it:
"In the Bible, in John 5 provides a healing outpouring - the Pool of Bethesda, which means outpouring of grace. The Bible says that a quantity of sick, blind, lame and crippled came to this place, the pool of Bethesda… "
Torben in his blog about 10 years later:
"10 years ago, a man came from the US to Denmark with a prophetic word to us our country. The word was that Denmark would become known as the Pool of Bethesda. That is a place where the sick could experience salvation and healing. He said that it would not only be one or two places, but it would be all over the country. Yes, no matter where you came in Denmark, would be people who would ask for one and set one free...
Yes, I believe we are seeing the fulfillment of the word that sounded over Denmark."
TCE replies: 15Feb18
many thanks for your comments and information.
Although deep in work commitments as always, we will make every effort to respond in the near future (probably weeks rather than months).
We trust you have read our home page and are therefore aware of our current situation.
Many blessings in our Lord and Saviour the God-blessed Chief Shepherd of His chosen sheep,
TCE replies: 23Mar2018
thank you for taking the time to contact us concerning the ministries of these men.
As we have recorded on our home page we no longer have the time to write as much (on certain issues) as we did until fairly recently.
But we always read material sent to us and send an acknowledgment to the writer.
Also, please note our other advice on the home page - 'any material enquirers want us to consider must be enclosed as part of their e-mail text as we do not have the time to surf endlessly following 'links'; obviously those sincerely seeking to inform us in any way will also desire to make the information as easily accessible as possible!'
The fact that foreign languages are concerned in this case makes this last point even more important.
We hope that you do not think we are being rude in any way in making such statements.
So, first, we will take the material you write as being true about Bentley and Søndergaard and only comment on what you have told us clearly in English!
Todd Bentley's 'mistakes' reveal his links to other heretics?
You write: 'I see you wrote some negative things about Todd Bentley and, yes, he may have made some mistakes ...'
TCE: Bentley did more than make 'some mistakes' - as you put it! He proved himself to be an immoral deceiver, false prophet, false teacher, and faker of signs and wonders - including some bizarre 'healing' rituals that were equally false and failed to provide verifiable healings!
Many of today's false prophets, acting within liberal and apostate churches (Acts 20:29-31), have been spawned by an alleged movement of the Holy Spirit that began in the 1940s in Saskatchewan, Canada. A principle figure in the movement (early on in its history it went under the name of The Latter-rain/Manifest Sons of God) was a very influential false prophet and heretic, William Branham. His false theology included Oneness Pentecostalism (a denial of the Trinity), works salvation, a false Jesus, restored prophets and apostles, Eve's alleged sex with the serpent of Genesis 3, and the claim that the Egyptian pyramids are a revelation of God's Word (a deception he shared with Charles T. Russell, founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses!). Among his false prophecies were the return of Christ in 1977 and the impossibility of man's reaching the moon. Nevertheless, he greatly influenced later "prophets" such as Paul Cain, Bob Jones, Kenneth Hagin, Oral Roberts, A. A. Allen, and, more recently, Rodney Howard Browne, Todd Bentley, and those involved in the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) under C. Peter Wagner's guidance.
1 Timothy 6:10 informs us: "The love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
NAR "apostle" C. Peter Wagner wrote: 'If you check back through human history, you will find that three things, more than any others, have produced social transformation: violence, knowledge and wealth - and the greatest of these is wealth!' (Dominion! How Kingdom Action Can Change the World).
Thus this self-proclaimed "apostle" exposed himself as one of the most obvious pseudo-Christians by his moronic failure to see the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ as "the greatest thing" to ever produce social transformation! Jesus proclaimed in Luke 4:18: "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised." In the UK the work of Methodists and 'the Salvation Army' are just two examples of the Gospel bringing the truth of Jesus' Words to the poor, brokenhearted, captives (whether imprisoned behind walls or by their sin), the blind and the bruised! But Wagner continued in his book to claim: 'They will not be traditional financial planners who are satisfied with annual returns of 5 percent to 20 percent or so.…I have faith that we will see the biblical standard of 100 percent returns or more become the norm'. (p196).
Check out Proverbs 13:22 and see how this verse is mis-used by Wagner and others promoting this false theology:
Proverbs 13:22 (NASB) - 22 A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children, And the wealth of the sinner is stored up for the righteous.
They selectively quote the last part of the verse: "and the wealth of the sinner is laid up for the righteous" and omit the first half of the verse. The full verse informs us that this is not some supernatural transfer of wealth, but an admonition toward diligence. Through diligent stewardship, the Lord blesses the work of the righteous, and they store up an inheritance. In this context, the sinner wastes his money which, in the providence of God, can end up in the hands of the just. Scripture tells us that there is 'nothing new under the sun' (Ecc. 1:9) and Wagner, et al, pull the same deception that heretics have used for thousands of years by omitting - and therefore effectively taking away - part of the verse.
The New Apostolic Reformation teaches the "dominionism" heresy!
Todd Bentley's fake evidence for miraculous healings!
The New Apostolic Reformation preaches "dominionism" - the false teaching that Christians must take control and establish dominion over this world before Jesus can return to this earth. In a similar manner, Søndergaard advocates a false view known as "restorationism" - the belief that the church, after the first century, lost important truths and fell into apostasy. Those lost truths are, supposedly, now being progressively restored by false teachers such as Søndergaard who seems to be ignorant of the fact that 'restorationism' has long (over 150 years) been promoted by 'Christian cults', including Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, and aberrant 'Christian' groups, such as the New Apostolic Reformation movement, have been deceived by these 'doctrines of demons' (1 Timothy 4:1-3). This is something that frequently occurs when sinful people, who may have started off as 'good', well-meaning Christians, begin to be influenced by books or ideas obtained from deceiving sources (even our own sinful thoughts and prayers which demons can respond to!).
We should also warn those Christians who do not realise that the Roman Catholic church has long been a cult responsible for teaching many false doctrines but, despite their attempts to destroy all the genuine Christians who would not join their 'Kingdom of the Popes' (e.g. Anabaptists, Mennonites, Albigensians, Waldensians, Hussites, etc.), these small groups survived and continued to teach the truth. But, sadly, when the 'Reformers' (mainly made up of Roman Catholic priests who had realized their church was not Biblical and needed 'Reforming') were forced to leave Rome, they left with many of the erroneous doctrines and views they had learnt and did not 'reform' far enough. So, when people like Søndergaard see these errors they are right in recognizing them but wrong in trying to replace them with their own equally flawed doctrines.
The 'New Apostolic Reformation' (NAR) grew rapidly in association with the Vineyards and Kansas City Fellowship under the influence of false prophets such as John Wimber, Paul Cain (former associate of William Branham), Rick Joyner, Mike Bickle and others. Increasing numbers of churches then 'submitted' themselves to these 'prophets' in a rapidly growing movement based upon so-called 'signs and wonders' which brought dangerous heresies into the church in the name of 'holiness and unity'. Also manifested was a group known as the Kansas City Prophets and this 1940s Latter Rain movement was declared a heresy by mainline Pentecostals (among others) and lost momentum for many years until various aspects of it surfaced again. The phoney miracles at Toronto and Pensacola (Brownsville Revival) and various other spots around the world were simply manifestations of these same ideas with the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) contributing to the continuation of these un-Biblical teachings. 'Word-Faith' false teachers, such as Kenneth Copeland and Gordon Robertson (of the 700 Club) also endorsed many aspects as these separate movements continually draw closer together in their goals and objectives.
From Branham's days these related movements have been illustrated by heretical teachings, bizarre manifestations and outlandish personalities, such as Todd Bentley who, apart from the dubious origin of his un-Scriptural tattooed appearance and body piercing practices, has been given to head butting, punching, and kneeing followers in the groin as part of his 'healing' methodology. Despite the doubtful efficacy of his methods (you certainly won't find anything like his behavior explained in Scripture!), 'ignorant and unstable' (2 Peter 3:15-17) followers numbering thousands have turned up to his meetings from all over the world in order to seek and observe 'the power of the Holy Spirit' healing them or their loved ones.
Do many 'Protestant' & 'Charismatic' churches judge Biblically?
Bentley claims to have medical proof of mass healing occurring in his meetings, but names and 'phone numbers which were given out by his ministry and purported to put enquirers in contact with doctors and medical records as proof of the miracle cure of people to whom he ministered, led to no recordable evidence, never mind any that could be called 'convincing'!
Bentley reveals many 'attributes' that are straight from the occult world and, like many a psychic, he proclaims someone in the audience has a particular kind of sickness, such as a tumor, growth or affliction. In showmanship style he shouts out: "Someone's getting a new spinal cord tonight!" Thus his 'healing's' are also marked by the same un-Scriptural conclusions, for fakers are always very careful to avoid controlled conditions to make sure they are only surrounded by the utterly gullible and desperate. And, unlike the healings by the Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 12:9-14; Mark 3:1-6; Luke 6:6-11), you never see contemporary 'healers' bringing about unfakeable healings - such as withered or missing limbs being restored - or raising of the dead (John 11:38-44; Acts 9:36-42). Bentley and Søndergaard and his disciples target minor things - joint stiffness, back pain, etc. - things that the mind or adrenaline can temporarily overcome to give the appearance of a permanent healing. Conveniently, such 'healing's' are not visibly evident. Fake healers claim many kinds of 'healing's' that cannot be dis-proven by visual evidence - so they claim to heal the deaf or to heal those with unexaminable internal cancers, spinal cords, etc. But when genuine evidence is sought that can be scientifically verified by experts - there is none!
Another work worth reading, particularly for its comments on Søndergaard's supposed healings, is 'An analysis of Torben Sondergaard's meeting in Moncton by Danny Lirette'. Here are examples of his comments under the title:
1- A dishonesty in reporting:
http://danlirette.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/baptism.mp4 (may no longer exist)
[TCE: Note that we have included all the links to each section quoted, but none of them would connect at the time of writing due to 'Internal Server Error - Apache Server at danlirette.ca Port 80'; we leave Dan Lirette's comments untouched before our conclusion at the end of his testimony]
'Look at the video ... There are about 90-10 people being baptized. What you are not told is that the majority of these people have been saved for years. Why they are being baptized again is beyond me. What's most troubling is that Torben makes it appear as though these are brand new/first time conversions. Nothing could be further from the truth. These are primarily conference attendees who are already regenerated. [Lirette, Danny. An analysis of Torben Sondergaard's meeting in Moncton, NB (Kindle Locations 38-44). Kindle Edition]
'In this clip, a young lady by the name of Marcia claims to have been healed. I'm certainly not one to rain on anyone else's parade yet I'm so grieved at this clip! If this young lady is indeed healed, shouldn't we wait until a medical doctor confirms this? If the healing is legitimate then there should be no fear in having the medical professional confirm the healing... right? In posting this young lady's "healing" without any objective medical evidence, Torben joins the ranks of false teachers such as Benny Hinn. [Lirette, Danny. An analysis of Torben Sondergaard's meeting in Moncton, NB (Kindle Locations 77-82). Kindle Edition].
'I would caution anyone who attended not to jump the gun and declare a healing that may have been merely an emotional rush. I'm not saying it was... God forbid! What I am saying is that I'm holding off my hand clapping until the doctor's report comes in and is published for all of us to see. In Luke 17:12-14 we're shown the example of verification when we read: "And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off: And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us. And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed."' (Kindle Locations 88-90). ... 'If this precious girl is reading this, I want to address you personally: Do NOT "confess" your healing if you aren't healed. If you have the symptoms of your disease, ask yourself if those JESUS touched continued to have "their" symptoms. You know the answer. It's ok if you aren't healed and it's equally ok if you are. One thing is certain; Torben took advantage of you and perhaps you're in denial "or" you are healed. Either way, I encourage you to get medical documentation and show the church in Moncton that this is a real deal miracle. If it is, I rejoice with you. If not, you have nothing to feel bad about. You didn't "lose' your healing; Torben deceived you and it's a life lesson. You're precious to Jesus and to His real Church'. [Lirette, Danny. An analysis of Torben Sondergaard's meeting in Moncton, NB (Kindle Locations 101-104). Kindle Edition]
'In this clip above, a woman apparently is filled with the Holy Spirit and has a demon cast out of her. What you're actually witnessing is a false spirit moving in this situation. This is certainly not the Holy Spirit of the Scriptures! In Acts 2 when someone was filled they spoke in languages; this woman is blabbering in gibberish and it's a mockery to the genuine Filling of the Holy Spirit as seen in Acts 2, Acts 8, Acts 10, Acts 19 and Ephesians 5. To liken what is happening in this clip to a "move of God" shows an utter ignorance of who the Holy Spirit is and how the Holy Spirit works. Blabbering on and on and declaring that such a thing is the work of the Holy Spirit is the reason why so many non Charismatics/Pentecostals and unBelievers mock us. This is "not" the Spirit of the Lord Jesus. The genuine Baptism in the Holy Spirit can come with speaking in tongues and if so, it will be actual languages; not blabbering "dee dee dee dee dee" over and over again. ... This clip is so utterly "not" of God that to support it being "from" God is nonsense. He believes and rejoices in people blabbering syllables when we see that actual languages accompanied the Baptism in the Holy Spirit at times. Where is this man's discernment? In fact, it doesn't take discernment to see how foolish and how dishonoring to the Lord this is. This poor woman now believes she's filled with the Holy Spirit, thus effectively stopping her from seeking the genuine filling of the Holy Spirit. (Lirette, Danny. An analysis of Torben Sondergaard's meeting in Moncton, NB (Kindle Locations 113-130). Kindle Edition).
'The first testimony is the old "growing leg miracle". For those of you within the Charismatic/Pentecostal worldview, you "know" that the "growing leg miracle" is a mainstay within our camp. I have a very hard time believing such a thing. I have personally witnessed this once in my life and saw it medically verified before my eyes. Every single other time, without exception, I saw nothing but a sham; no verification, no growing... nothing. And the crazy thing is that when the preacher says, "Did you see it grow?!" the bystanders, so as not to be the pessimist, always say, "Yes! Wow! What a miracle!". Everyone walks away more deluded than they were before. In the other testimonies in this clip you will notice two things missing: (1) Any mention of the Gospel being preached and (2) any mention of actual Salvations. Jesus isn't the focus here and neither is His Gospel. The Word is clear; there will be false prophets raised up by satan in the Last Days who will show "great" signs and wonders in order to deceive the very elect of God: Matthew 24:24 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." [Lirette, Danny. An analysis of Torben Sondergaard's meeting in Moncton, NB (Kindle Locations 131-143). Kindle Edition]
Did even one of these individuals repent and get baptized? ... in their testimonies they make no reference to the Person of Jesus; they speak only of healings. Is this what we're called to do, glorify healings on video for the world to see while we're not even sure if the ones allegedly "healed" turned from sin to Christ? [Lirette, Danny. An analysis of Torben Sondergaard's meeting in Moncton, NB (Kindle Locations 144-149). Kindle Edition].
There was a woman on Saturday evening who was in a wheelchair being prayed for. Do you think she's now out of her wheelchair? No; she isn't. It's easy to "heal" headaches and backaches; let me see a woman in a wheelchair get up and then we'll talk about the real deal power of God. Why didn't the woman on Saturday evening get up and walk? I mean, everyone else was being healed of non-verifiable pain. This would have been the miracle of miracles in Torben's meeting... but it wasn't to be. I guess God forgot about this poor woman while healing everyone else's back issues. [Lirette, Danny. An analysis of Torben Sondergaard's meeting in Moncton, NB (Kindle Locations 149-154). Kindle Edition].
TCE: Lirette then writes: 'This is a case of Matthew 7:21-23' and, after quoting this Scripture (we have printed it a little further down the page) and explaining the seriousness of its meaning for those who are fakers, he goes on to write:
'I have no doubt whatsoever that Torben is a sincere man; I have no doubt that he loves the Lord. I cannot and will not judge this man's walk with Jesus. I can, and must - as you can and must - test his ministry against the Word of God. In the light of Scripture, Torben's ministry is strewn with error, exploitation and emotional manipulation'. [Lirette, Danny. An analysis of Torben Sondergaard's meeting in Moncton, NB (Kindle Locations 158, 171-173). Kindle Edition].
And then he concludes:
'As a minister of the Gospel; as a Believer in Jesus Christ... I cannot support a ministry such as Torben's for the reasons I listed and others not listed. The above 4 points should give you pause; your heart should weep and your spirit tremble that healings are glorified; no medical documentation is provided; Christians are being presented as new converts being baptized; water baptism is held to a higher standard than the Cross; Jesus is rarely mentioned at all and only in passing. Maranatha. In Him, Dan [Lirette, Danny. An analysis of Torben Sondergaard's meeting in Moncton, NB (Kindle Locations 174-179). Kindle Edition]
TCE: Lirette faithfully records Søndergaard's many un-Biblical actions and practices and correctly identifies him as a deceiver without apparently daring to righteously and Biblically judge him for what he has revealed himself to be! Yet he wrote:
'In posting this young lady's "healing" without any objective medical evidence, Torben joins the ranks of false teachers such as Benny Hinn ... Torben deceived you and it's a life lesson ... What you're actually witnessing is a false spirit moving in this situation. This is certainly not the Holy Spirit of the Scriptures! ... Where is this man's discernment? In fact, it doesn't take discernment to see how foolish and how dishonoring to the Lord this is. This poor woman now believes she's filled with the Holy Spirit, thus effectively stopping her from seeking the genuine filling of the Holy Spirit ... The first testimony is the old "growing leg miracle" ... Every single other time, without exception, I saw nothing but a sham; no verification, no growing... nothing. ... you will notice two things missing: (1) Any mention of the Gospel being preached and (2) any mention of actual Salvations. Jesus isn't the focus here and neither is His Gospel. The Word is clear; there will be false prophets raised up by satan in the Last Days ... Did even one of these individuals repent and get baptized? ... in their testimonies they make no reference to the Person of Jesus; they speak only of healings ... I have no doubt whatsoever that Torben is a sincere man; I have no doubt that he loves the Lord. I cannot and will not judge this man's walk with Jesus. I can, and must - as you can and must - test his ministry against the Word of God. ... water baptism is held to a higher standard than the Cross; Jesus is rarely mentioned at all and only in passing.'
Having shown Søndergaard to be the deceiver he clearly proves himself to be by his words and actions, Lirette even wrote:
'I am certainly not suggesting that Torben is a false prophet; what I am suggesting is that these "miracle testimonies" are not to be the focus and yet they are'. [Lirette, Danny. An analysis of Torben Sondergaard's meeting in Moncton, NB (Kindle Locations 143-144). Kindle Edition]
The evidence that Lirette witnessed is clear but New Testament passages dealing with judging are often misunderstood by people who fail to recognize that we are to judge! Jesus clearly said that you can know what kind of person is coming to you - even with signs and wonders - by their fruit (Matthew 7v15-23). So you can make a judgement of them and their teachings. But then people get confused because earlier, in the same chapter, He says: Do not judge lest you be judged (Matthew 7v1). But He clarifies it by stating: Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgement (John 7v24). This is not a contradiction, but clarification of how we judge.
God is the Judge of all. We are called to judge morals, behaviour and doctrine, but God is the ultimate Judge of us all. If we are going to stand up and confront other people inside and outside the church about these things we also need to ensure that we are not guilty of the same kind of behaviour because that is another kind of judging we are forbidden to do. When the Greek prefix hupo is added to krites, we have the word from which we derive the English equivalent: "hypocrites." This is what Jesus meant when he said:
Do not judge lest you be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. And why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "Let me take the speck out of your eye," and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite [Greek: hupokrites], first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye (Matthew 7v1-5). [see this page for fuller explanation of judging righteously]
The fact that Danny Lirette admits that he has seen a lot of fake healing before ('the "growing leg miracle" is a mainstay within our camp') and did not call out those deceivers as he should have done, means that he feels equally unable to call out Torben (despite having identified his fakery) and even modifies his criticism of him by saying: 'I have no doubt whatsoever that Torben is a sincere man; I have no doubt that he loves the Lord.'
Scripture warns us of these false teachers and prophets!
The truth about Bentley's 'prophecy' of Søndergaard?
If that is true then Lirette is equally capable of saying the same of any 'Christian cult' leader - we have seen many pastors and 'vicars' of Christian denominations in the UK do exactly that in the last 40-50 years! We have seen them cozying up to Seventh-Day Adventist ministers just as we saw Billy Graham employing a singer from this cult at one of his 'crusades' in the UK and being 'in bed' with the Papal Roman Catholic Cult since the early 1950's. The Great Apostasy has been around for a very long time! Far too many in the 'Christian life' have the understanding that Jeremiah was inspired to record:
Jeremiah 5:21 (ASV) - Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; that have eyes, and see not; that have ears, and hear not:
Like Søndergaard, Bentley claims to give the credit to God and argues that the 'healing's' are all 'in the Name of Jesus', but genuine Bible-believers notice that, like many other deceivers, he rarely opens a Bible or preaches anything of note about the Lord Jesus Christ. To the criticism of observers that he seems unconcerned about conversions and too focused on self-proclaimed miracles, he shouted out: "How can you be too focused on miracles?" If he had ever read the warnings about those who would come after Jesus and His apostles he would know why 'signs and wonders' are warned about and why they are not proof that those delivering them are approved by the God of the Bible:
Matthew 7:15-23 (NASB) - 15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 "So then, you will know them by their fruits. 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
Even a denomination renowned in the past for gullibility, the Assemblies of God, managed to supply the important detail through 'Superintendent' George O. Wood, who said: "Miraculous manifestations are never the test of a true revival - fidelity to God's Word is the test. Jesus Himself said there would be many who would do miracles in His name and even cast out demons, but He does not know them. Jesus warned that 'many false prophets will appear and deceive many people."' (reference. Matthew 7:15-23; 24:11).
Bentley's use of Scripture ignores context and accuracy!
Concerning the claim that 'in 2003 he seems to have prophesied correctly about the ministry of Danish reformator Torben Søndergaard being the next thing' we need to bear several things in mind:
1. Does Bentley follow the same line of 'prophesying' that marks the branch of heretics that he springs from and which is so prevalent amongst the many 'charismatic' fakers who follow the same pattern of speaking words of 'prophecy' regularly about just about everyone and everything around them! Ironically, considering our words above, one of the worst examples here in Cardiff, UK, is an Assemblies of God pastor - if all his 'prophecies' came true, virtually every young person in his church will be one of the greatest prophets or evangelists the Christian world has ever known (this is in line with the currently popular false teaching that a youthful generation is springing up that will win the whole world for Jesus)!
2. Occultists who write horoscopes and make predictions do the same thing and, every now and then, the same thing is claimed for them, or by them: 'Didn't he/she predict that earthquake/tsunami/hurricane/disaster etc. would occur?' But when you look into the details you find that their words were either so vague that they could have been applied to many situations apart from this one, and/or they made predictions about so many things that one of them would inevitably seem to occur at some time and, of course, that is the only one that people remember. This happens every year all around the world and claims will be made for the one single, apparently true prediction, while the other 999 that did not come about are forgotten! Nostradamus is the most notorious example of such a 'prophet' and some are claiming that he predicted the rise and fall of Donald Trump through these astounding words which follow and are both vague and open to a multitude of interpretations and begin:
'From the three water signs will be born a man who will celebrate Thursday as his holiday. His renown, praise, rule and power will grow on land and sea, bringing trouble to the East.
A child without hands, never so great a thunderbolt seen, the royal child wounded at a game of tennis. At the well lightning strikes, joining together three trussed up in the middle under the oaks.'
If you desire to know how Trump got dragged into the 'prophecy' read the 'explanation' (which goes on and on!) at:
So the question is simple: did Bentley really speak the words attributed to him about ministries and churches all over Denmark - or is there more to the story?
You referenced: http://www.cults.co.nz/_printable.php?listing=sondergaardt
which reveals this information:
'This report from a researcher:
Torben Sondergaard of The last Reformation and Todd Bentley?
Years ago I was advised by a friend who knows Torben Søndergaard well, that Torben was a repentance preaching healing evangelist opposed to Todd Bentley, Lakeland, Toronto and alike. Also that Torben had been ostracized for many years in Denmark for holding that view. Like most people would, I accepted that from my friend because he was outspoken re Kundalini etc so I didn't look into Torben. But in recent times I became increasingly concerned with reports of alleged strange statements made by Torben in The Last Reformation kick-start meetings and comments from those who follow him on blogs of a doctrinally dangerous nature so I decided to do some investigations. This was challenging given that any search of Torben would be in the Danish language and not show up in English search. Obviously this language barrier meant Torben was not well known or indeed scrutinized by the English speaking Christian world. Thanks to the internet and translation software this is not impossible so here are some of my findings.
Back in 2003 Torben was not anti-Todd Bentley but quite the opposite. Torben Søndergaard was one of the leaders who invited Todd Bentley for the first time to Denmark and was the Master of Ceremonies at the first meetings ever held by Todd Bentley in Denmark. Here are excerpts from two reporter's articles written on the 3rd of September 2003 for Kristeligt, They report…
"It's all about Jesus, because he took our guilt and punishment, just like 'get em. It's cool, yeah", says the evening's master of ceremonies, Torben Søndergaard from Brande, who on singing Jutland introduces the evening's preacher, the 27-year-old Canadian Todd Bentley.
(Source) http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-tro/h%C3%A5b-om-helbredelse-i-herning (website no longer available)
On stage in Herning Sports now comes her son, Torben Søndergaard. He is one of the leaders of the Free Church who invited Todd Bentley.
(Source) http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/liv-sj%C3%A6l/gud-vil-g%C3%B8re-mig-rask (website no longer available)
Well OK, that clearly establishes a strong Todd Bentley connection. But then there is commentary sometime later on (I have not been able to establish details of or when this happened yet) Torben opposed Todd Bentley and supposedly wrote to the editor of The Challenge in Denmark.
Now let's come forward to 2015 where at that same newspaper Torben now has a column. Torben writes in the newspaper The Challenge on 22 January 2015…
"10 years ago a man came from the US to Denmark with a prophetic word to us our country. The word was that Denmark would become known as the Pool of Bethesda. That is a place where the sick could experience salvation and healing. He said that it would not only be one or two places, but it would be all over the country. Yes, no matter where you came in Denmark, there would be people who would ask for one and set one free."
OK, so Torben is quoting a prophecy without naming the source, but some Danish Christians looked for the prophetic source and found one that's very familiar - prophetic words given by Todd Bentley Wednesday, August 6, 2003.
"Only on this occasion I have seen it as clearly as I see in the spirit of the evening. God will do something on a national level. In the Bible, in John 5 provides a healing outpouring - the Pool of Bethesda, which means outpouring of grace. And there were people from all over Israel, who went to this geographical location. The Bible says that a quantity of sick, blind, lame and crippled came to this place, the pool of Bethesda. They came from across the nation, to be healed. And international said [sic], there is healing in the place. And at a certain time an angel came and touched the water in the pond, and the one who first came in, was cured no matter what disease he failed [sic]. The sick said there is a healing anointing at Bethesda Dam.
When I asked for my trip to Denmark, the Holy Spirit said: "Todd, not just in one region or a church or a town, there will be a 'Pool of Bethesda'." I asked, "Lord, where would it be?"
The entire Danish land will be known for the healing power, and people from abroad will say: "If we can come to the country to Denmark, then we will be healed. And it does not matter what city or church we go to, for healing happens everywhere in the country"
The last four years I have prophesied churches, cities and regions, which will host the healing outpourings. But I've never seen an entire country, as all sides have a healing anointing. Healings will happen all the time in all cities. It will be bigger than the revival in the 40s, 50s and 60s in North America with Jack Co., AA Allan, William Branham, Gordon Linsey and healing the weakening of America in the 1950s. And it will be the tool for the great harvest. The kind of anointing that was to harvest the 1950s and 60s in recovery weakening, where in 100's of cities every day could be meetings with healing and miracles. It will not just Todd Bentley, Charles Ndifon or Benny Hinn, but 100's of people and also Danes. There will be a fire, and I saw it burning up against the Scandinavian countries.
The Holy Spirit said, "Todd, I want you to say that this is more than four days of healing. I want you to tell them that there comes a healing revival. And it will be like with the Pool of Bethesda in John 5. You should take all pastors and leaders up and put hands on them, so they can receive the anointing which you have. So they can take it to those parts of Denmark which they come from.
(Source) http://www.jegblevhelbredt.dk/modules/myarticles/print.php?storyid=26 (website no longer available)
So Torben is publishing in January 2015 the false teacher Todd Bentley's 2003 prophecy that came on the lead-up to the very same meetings where Torben worked with Todd Bentley back in 2003. Was Todd Bentley obedient to whomever it was talking to him back in 2003 and did he do what was asked?
"You should take all pastors and leaders up and put hands on them, so they can receive the anointing which you have. So they can take it to those parts of Denmark which they come from." *
(Source) http://www.jegblevhelbredt.dk/modules/myarticles/print.php?storyid=26 (website no longer available)
With an emphasis on passing on "the anointing" or "the blessing" so prevalent at the time from Rodney Howard Brown, Jill Austin and a host of others it's likely that Todd did just that. See quote reported from an attendee of the 2003 meeting desperately seeking healing…
"And even if some of her friends outside the church have a little difficulty relating to her trust in God holding Kirsten Søndergaard maintained this position and will continue to seek out pastors as Ndifon and Todd Bentley to have part of their anointing. I certainly understand their skepticism, because that was exactly how we felt about Torben and his talk, as he had been saved before we even began attending church, says Kirsten Søndergaard. But as I have said: Going to meetings and hope for a miracle can never hurt, she adds." *
All this raises some questions as to what is going on.
* Note quotes are from articles that have translation errors from Danish to English (resulting in slightly bizarre results!).
'The Elijah List' - 'a home for contemporary false prophets'!
TCE: Bentley's use of the 'Pool of Bethesda' is interestingly illogical - as are many of his attempts to use some part of Scripture to support his ministry. Many Bible commentators state that 'The Pool of Bethesda' was used in ancient times to provide water for the temple - and even that the "Upper Pool" in 2 Kings 18:17 may be a reference to 'the Pool of Bethesda' (even that, sometime during the Hasmonean Period, an additional pool was added to the original one). The name of the pool, "Bethesda," is Aramaic and means "House of Mercy" so the name suggests a "place of outpouring" or a "house of kindness, grace and mercy" - which Bentley abbreviates to 'the Pool of Bethesda ... means outpouring of grace'.
The belief that an angel would come down into the pool and "stir up the water" and the first person into the pool after the stirring of the water "was made well from whatever disease with which he was afflicted" (John 5:4, NAS) is dismissed as a 'legend' by some. And they go further by pointing out that John 5:4 is not included in most modern translations (such as the RSV and ASV) because it is unlikely to be original to the text and conclude that the 'superstitious' belief probably arose because of the pool's association with the nearby temple. But when you read the statement by the sick man it obviously makes no sense if verse four was not in the original - so they claim that the translators on its committee must have been strongly biased against miracles. Much more likely is that the manuscripts missing this section were from the Alexandrian schools or those that fell into the hands of Papal Roman Catholic scribes who are notorious for their careless handling of Scripture and even made a bigger mess of Jerome's Vulgate!
But also note that the Lord Jesus Christ 'only' healed one man at Bethesda (and no one is recorded as having been healed at 'the pool' at that time and we also have no other records to prove they really were healed at other times) - so Bentley's use of the place and incident is entirely inappropriate when he claims that a multitude of miracles are going to occur in a place or nation!
Ironically for Bentley, 1 Kings 16-19 exposes the fake 'god', Baal, and his priests!
A Google search using Bentley's phrase 'outpouring of grace' led us to a home for contemporary false prophets - 'The Elijah List' at:
and this report from May, 2000 :
THE COMING RAINS OF HEALING AND MIRACLES
May 13, 2000
In the last year throughout many places that myself and the team have been traveling, there have been many confirmed healings and a few miracles. We've seen everything from deafness in the ears, eye problems, cancers, arthritis, back and neck problems. Creative healings such as short limbs growing out to their proper size, crooked spines made straight and God's realignment of the bones, including two people healed of paralysis are just some of what God has been doing.
[TCE: If this were actually true the world's media would have been heaving with reports!]
RAIN CLOUDS OVER CHURCHES
After coming back recently from healing revival meetings in Whitehorse, Yukon; I was ministering in the Abbotsford Revival Center and in worship that morning, the Holy Spirit brought me back to a prophetic word that I had given in the Whitehorse meetings. God began to speak to me about the coming healing revival in Canada. In worship that morning I was caught up in the Spirit and I saw many rain clouds individually set up over many churches and ministries across Canada pouring down rain. The rain clouds looked like they do in the cartoons on TV where rain would be pouring down upon one person or one place. Then I saw many ministers and churches that are already flowing in this miracle healing anointing, beginning to go into different cities and towns in Canada. As they were leaving these places of ministry the cloud would remain upon that church and continue to pour down healing rain.
JOHN 5 POOLS OF WATER
Many places are going to receive such an outpouring of rain that pools of water are going to form like in John 5, the pool of Bethesda. Within my spirit I didn't just see one pool but I saw many pools across Canada. The literal meanings of Bethesda means the house of outpouring and grace. The Holy Spirit spoke to me that these rains were for those churches and ministries that would fervently cry out for the rain, like Elijah upon the mountain in 1Kings 18:41-46. Elijah in verse 41 heard the sound of the abundance of rain and he knew in his spirit that the famine for Israel was over and it was time for the rain to fall, Chapter 18:1. Chapter 17:1 said that the rains would come at the word of Elijah and it would be at the word of the hungry people for healing revival in intercession that the rains will fall.
[TCE: Bentley tries to combine a single miracle by Jesus with the end of a famine clearly caused by the sin of the people, as shown by 1 Kings 16-19]
Though Elijah knew it was time for the rain to fall he still in fervent prayer upon the mountain had to birth and call it forth, 18:41-46.
THE PERSISTENCE OF ELIJAH
Though Elijah saw nothing he persisted in fervent prayer calling the rain and if you are to be in the rain and the storm front moving across Canada in healings and miracles you need to preach healing and though you see nothing, preach healing and preach, seven times Elijah persisted and he saw nothing.
I HEAR THE SOUND OF RAIN
I hear the sound of the rain and I know in my spirit IT IS TIME!!! climb up on the mountain and call for the rain, call for the storm. When the rains first began to come the cloud was but the size of a man's fist but it grew to the place where Elijah said to Ahab get your chariot going lest the rain stop you upon the way. God spoke to my heart that first there would be healing but then the rain would become torrential rains and we'd move into miracles. Will your church be a pool of Bethesda for the sick and the lame? Well, then let it pour and the Lord says that truly they all come from miles around.
That morning in worship after God had given me this word two wonderful Africans walked into the service and God spoke to me that they were a sign that miracles and healings would come forth in Canada like in places in Africa. I called these two men to the front of the church for them to prophesy healing rains within the church in their language. That morning in the service we had many healings including a couple of people healed standing at the altar, one of them was one of the Africans. Praise the Lord! what's been happening in Victoria and with the ministry of Fresh Fire is just the beginning of what God is going to do all over Canada.'
TCE: Have we seen any sign of any 'healings' 'all over Canada' between May 13, 2000 and March, 2018? Absolutely not! And certainly not all over Denmark! We have also seen no confirmation of any of the claimed healing's by Bentley and his hapless crew of fakers!
1 Kings 16ff. shows us many things - but none of them are the things Bentley claims from them!
Whenever the nation fell into sin and idolatry, God sent prophets to call it back to the true faith and Elijah the Tishbite obeyed two simple commandments from the Lord: "Go hide yourself," and "Go show yourself."
Wicked King Ahab had permitted his wife Jezebel to bring the worship of Baal into Israel (16:31-33) and she was determined to wipe out the worship of YHWH (18:4). Since Baal was the Phoenician fertility god who supposedly sent rain and bountiful crops and Jezebel planned to exterminate the worshippers of YHWH and have all the people of Israel serving Baal, it was to be a pointed humiliation by the God of the Bible in which Baal's complete inability to bring rain was going to be totally exposed.
The drought had begun six months before Elijah suddenly appeared in Ahab's court to proclaim that the drought would last another three years. Lack of rain was often a punishment for the sins of the people (Deut. 11:13-17; see 2 Chron. 7:12-15) and Ahab and his wicked heathen wife Jezebel had led the people into vile Baal worship. The extra three years of drought was an answer to Elijah's prayer (James 5:17). Having delivered his message, the prophet retired from public ministry for three years, and during this time, the Lord graciously cared for him and the widow who was his hostess, and her son. Elijah gave her God's promise that neither the jar of grain nor the flask of oil she had would be used up before the end of the drought and famine. God would one day send the rain, but until then, He would continue to provide bread for them - and He did. And also raised the son of the widow from the dead (1 Kings 17:22) in a very clear healing that caused the woman to come to a saving knowledge of Almighty God!
Having been trained and tested in private, the prophet was then ready for his public ministry and God commanded him to face wicked King Ahab (see 16:33). The contest was not between Elijah and Ahab, but between God and Baal. The nation was "limping and tottering between two ways," and it was time to make a decision (see Ex. 32:26; Josh. 24:15; Matthew. 12:30). Confronted with their sins, the people answered - nothing! (v21). Elijah asked for an impossible situation in his challenge against Baal and his supporters, confident that the true God would answer with fire - for God had often "answered with fire" in years past (Lev. 9:24; 1 Christian. 21:26). Of course, Baal could not answer because Baal does not exist - although demons and Satan may sometimes pretend to be 'him' - and other 'gods'. Satan has been allowed to send fire to deceive the people (Job 1:16; Rev. 13:13), but God would not allow it here! Elijah mocked the prophets of Baal: "He who sits in the heavens shall laugh" (Ps. 2:4). By the time of the evening sacrifice (three o'clock in the afternoon), it was obvious to all that Baal was a false god and could not answer.
Exposing the folly and sin of Baal worship was only half of Elijah's task for the day and, more important, was bringing the nation back to the true worship of Almighty God (YHWH). Elijah was not out only to reform the people; he wanted to revive them too. First, he repaired the altar which the people had permitted to fall down. This is the first step toward blessing - repairing the personal altar of devotion, the family altar, the altar of sacrifice, and communion with God. By using twelve stones, Elijah reminded the people of their unity, because for many years the nation had been divided. To make it impossible for any normal person (without access to supernatural means!) to ignite the fire, Elijah had four barrels of water emptied on the wood and sacrifice three times, which would mean twelve barrels of water. The prophet prayed a simple prayer of faith, and the fire of God consumed the wood, the sacrifice, the water, and the altar. But Elijah still had work to do. To begin with, the false prophets (850 of them, v19) had to be slain (cf. Deut. 13:1-5). It is not enough for us to acknowledge that "the Lord, He is God" (v39); we must also hate that which is evil and remove it from our lives.
Then the prophet told the king to get back home, for rain was on the way. Baal was the "rain god", but he could neither send fire nor bring rain! As the king started on his way, Elijah began to pray for rain, just as three and a half years before he had prayed for drought (James 5:17). He knew how to watch and pray (Col. 4:2), and he knew how to persist in prayer until God sent the answer. God does not send the showers of blessing until sin has been judged. Before long, the sky was black with clouds, the wind began to blow, and the rains came. God gave Elijah superhuman strength to run ahead of the king as his chariot raced toward Jezreel.
What we do with God in private is far more important than what we do for God in public. Our hidden life prepares us for our public life. Unless we are willing to go through such disciplines as the dry brook, the depleted barrel, and the dead boy, we will never have the victories of Mount Carmel for:
Isaiah 40:31 (NASB) - 31 Yet those who wait for the LORD Will gain new strength; They will mount up with wings like eagles, They will run and not get tired, They will walk and not become weary.
Elijah had certainly 'wait[ed] for the LORD [to] gain new strength' - and done more than 'run and not get tired! '
So, we see that Bentley has completely missed the lessons from Elijah for there was no 'rain and ... storm front moving ... in healings and miracles' - but definitely in miracles of fire and the destruction of worshippers of Baal - and forgiveness for the sinful people who had forsaken God Almighty - yet again!
Bentley asks: 'Will your church be a pool of Bethesda for the sick and the lame? Well, then let it pour and the Lord says that truly they all come from miles around '
We have no evidence that people have flocked to Denmark or any other country where Bentley has boasted foolishly - but they came from miles around in Jesus time and He chose to genuinely heal just one man while the pool of Bethesda healed none - just as Bentley and Søndergaard are really healing none!
Where are the reports of genuine healings from all over Denmark? There are none because these two are fake prophets, fake healers, and fake teachers!
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