By attacking the Social Workers involved in the Orkney cases (and several other media-hyped cases in Britain) the media tried to smear 'evangelical Christians', claiming that they were guilty of hysterical promotion of the occurrence of 'Satanic Ritual Abuse' (SRA). The media also tried to blame the fervour of evangelical Christians for the farcical situations in Britain where children were removed from their parents BY SOCIAL WORKERS! This stance continued for several years until the plethora of committee's which investigated these cases made their final reports. Only then did they place the blame firmly on the Social Services' over-reaction to the flimsy evidence from these cases. But we have not seen one case where the Christians who were smeared ever received apologies for the slandering of their names. The evidence the 'Weak In, Weak Out' programme showed that Maureen Davies advised various authorities on signs and evidence to look for, but they failed to prove that she had any official input into even a single case reported extensively in the media. No Bible-believing Christian would remove children on the evidence reported by the media and there is no evidence that Christians were involved in any way with the abuse of these families as perpetrated by humanist Social Workers. Despite Davies' complaint to the TV Watchdog in Britain the usual whitewash occurred. If abuse of this kind occurs only occasionally, and is even carried out by people using 'Satanism' or other occultic activity as a cover to terrify the victims, it should still be honestly investigated. It is clear from quotes from the authorities involved in these few cases listed as examples, that they have no desire to be embarrassed by considering that any 'Satanic' or 'occultic' activity could be occurring and refuse to go to court at all if this is even mentioned by Social Workers. The case against orthodox-Christian promotion of SRA in Britain is totally unproven but, as other evidence on this site proves, there are many Biblically-ignorant and deceived Christians who cause the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to be insulted. 'Common conservative Christian belief about the Occult '
We find the same attitude occurring with the 'Tolerance' quote that the belief in 'Gothic Satanism' 'justified the extensive Witch burnings of the 15th to 18th centuries.' It is a fact that orthodox Christians would never allow anyone proven to be a witch, as defined by the Bible (Leviticus 20:27; Deuteronomy 18:11; 1 Samuel 28:7; 1 Chronicles 10:13), to be stoned to death, never mind burnt to death. The references to the origins of the ideas behind the 'Witchfinder General' film, show that there were ignorant and sadistic people in Cromwellian days who carried out this kind of atrocity, but they certainly weren't orthodox Christians. It is incumbent upon us to point out that it is dishonest for groups like 'Tolerance' to level blanket accusations against Christians without checking their facts and without giving us the same level of 'Tolerance' afforded to the other groups they categorize on their site. Mormons claim to be Christian, but their extra-Biblical 'sacred texts' (Book of Mormon; Book of Abraham; Deeds and Covenants; Mormon Doctrine; Gospel Principles etc.) and their actions, show that they are a cult. There are many 'nice' people in this cult, but the Bible gives sufficient warning that they are Hell-bound because they did not believe the Word of God in the Bible, but chose instead to accept the claims of the self-appointed 'prophet', the deceiver Joseph Smith. In the same way 'Tolerance' should accept that not everyone who calls themselves a 'Wiccan' is going to seek goodness and light for the world - there are renegade loose cannon in every walk of life. Some remain that way in every movement and give the real believers a bad name. On the night our Lord was betrayed (Matthew 26:51; Mark 14:47; Luke 22:49; John 18:10), one of his impetuous disciples, Simon Peter, who had not yet got 'the picture,' stepped forward and sliced off the ear of the High-Priest's servant! This was not part of the Lord Jesus Christ's plan and He promptly healed that wound, as he later re-instated Peter in a three-fold restitution which parallelled his three-fold betrayal (Matthew 26:34; Luke 22:34; 22:61 Mark 14:72; John 13:38). This is an honest assessment of the evidence and all we are asking on any of these pages.
Does 'Tolerance' have a vested interest in their occult pages? We notice that 'Tolerance' is sponsored by the Mormons for, on their page: 'THE OCCULT: Various viewpoints' we find a banner proclaiming the Latter-Day Saints:
'Welcome to the Latter Day Saints Matchmaker: Looking for a soul-mate, an after-work pen-pal or a weekend workout partner? Matchmaker.com is the leading online community enabling secure connections between people with similar interests or needs.'
It is ironic that, on a page purporting to tell the truth about the occult, we should find the Mormons sponsoring the page. Why ironic? Because the founder of the Mormons, the 'prophet' Joseph Smith, was an occultist himself! The story of Joseph Smith, Jr., the founder of Mormonism, is absolutely incredible and faithful Mormon historian D. Michael Quinn's 1987 first-edition book entitled Early Mormonism and the Magic World View blew the cover on this cult's origins in a manner matched only by the faithful Tanner's (q.v.). Quinn is a former professor at LDS Church-owned Brigham Young University who was excommunicated in 1993 for apostasy based on his historical writings which exposed their 'prophet'. Instead of trying to deny Joseph Smith's irrefutable penchant for occultic activities, Quinn - who says he "remains a DNA Mormon" - simply presented the evidence which showed that Smith's background involved divining rods, seer stones, amulets, incantations, and rituals to summon spirits. Smith was a magician 'first class', Quinn believes but, being a faithful indoctrinated Mormon, still holds that Mormonism's founder was also a man of God who used his magical tools to communicate with the Almighty God of this universe! The fact that the Bible forbids any activity of this kind is glossed over by Mormons, since they are indoctrinated to believe that Smith's works are superior to the Bible. This is despite the thorough debunking and proof of fraud in their origins - the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham - by competent historians inside and outside Christian circles!
Quinn admits that what he writes in his book is not what readers might find in a brochure given out at an LDS temple open house:
"Instead, they will discover that the LDS prophet certainly participated extensively in some pursuits of folk magic and apparently in others.... I have found that the 'official version' of early Mormon history is sometimes incomplete in its presentation and evaluation of evidence. Therefore, official LDS history is inaccurate in certain respects. ... LDS apologists often do not inform their readers that pro-Mormon sources corroborate the statements made by anti-Mormons" (p. xxxviii).
The excuse that Smith participated in occultic activities because they were part of the American society at that time appears to be Quinn's hopeful defence of Smith. I wonder if the Old Testament occultists thought of this excuse when they were caught practicing sins against God for which the penalty was death? Smith wasn't going to worry about this, of course, since his writings were going to replace the Bible - or so he, and a few million Mormons, thought. Quinn writes:
"... early anti-Mormon authors and modern LDS apologists shared the assumption that if Mormonism's founding prophet engaged in 'money-digging,' then his religious claims could be discredited. However, the substantial evidence of their participation in treasure-seeking in no way discredits Joseph Smith or his family. This was even the view of some of their neighbors who had no interest in the family's religious claims. Magic and treasure-seeking were an integral part of the Smith family's religious quest" (p.30)
The fact that Smith's neighbours were also non-Christians or wacky 'Christians' doesn't alter the fact that Smith is proved to be an occultic fraud by the evidence of the Bible and the facts! Quinn is not happy with attempts by LDS Church revisionists to deny Smith's foray into the occult and folk magic realm around him. While this is the apparent attitude church members have now, Quinn claims that this wasn't always true. The attitude change began in the 1880s, he says, when the last of those in the Mormon leadership who had been familiar with Smith and the occultic practices died: "Their successors had more in common with denominational Christianity than with the folk religion of many first-generation Mormons," Quinn writes: "It is astonishing how some LDS apologists can misread (or misrepresent) all the above evidence for the magic use of seer stones and divining rods... "(p. 59). After noting that BYU biblical professor Stephen E. Robinson denied that these things had anything to do with magic but rather were influenced by the Bible, Quinn is strongly opposed: "This is self-parody by an LDS polemicist," he writes in part (p. 60).
Quinn is bound to offend some because he was excommunicated by the Mormon Church and writes historical books that are not approved of by the Mormon hierarchy. He is hopelessly wrong when he claims that the Bible encourages necromancy, magic, dealing with occultic materials, etc., but when it comes to the facts about how Smith himself was involved in magic, Quinn's historical points are well documented and leave little to debate. On many other things Quinn appears to be very honest and has simply presented the facts! He is certainly not a revisionist of the ilk of the Mormon 'apologists', especially those who work at the LDS-owned FARMS.
Quinn worked hard to show that magic and the occult played a huge role in the very foundation of the LDS religion. Consider the following list compiled by mrm.org:
Smith used his divining rod and stone for finding buried treasure as late as the fall of 1825 (p. 54). Saying that Smith's family and friends were also involved in such escapades, Quinn wrote on page 240: "Joseph Smith (founding prophet and president of the new church) had unquestionably participated in treasure-seeking and stone divination. Evidence indicates that he also used divining rods, a talisman, and implements of ritual magic." In addition, "two-thirds of Mormonism's first apostles had some affinity for folk magic" (p. 240).
Smith would place his seer stone into a hat and bury his face into the hat "so as to exclude the light, he could see as a clairvoyant" (p. 55). This was supported by such witnesses as Martin Harris and Smith's wife Emma (pp. 169-173). The fact that the same brown stone Smith used to look for buried treasure was used to "translate" the Book of Mormon is not emphasized by Smith's followers (p. 172). Yet when Mormonism's original leadership died off in the 1880s, "LDS authorities typically regarded seer stones as unusual relics of an ever-receding sacred past" (p. 253).
Smith was arrested in the mid-1 820s "as a disorderly person" because "he was about the country in the character of a glass-looker: pretending to discover lost goods, hidden treasures, mines of gold and silver, etc" (p. 56).
While Quinn doesn't believe that money was Smith's main motivation for digging for buried treasure, it was certainly a big reason why he did it (p. 65).
Smith's mother Lucy Mack Smith "did not deny that her family participated in occult activities. She simply affirmed that these did not prevent family members from accomplishing other, equally important work" (p. 68). Quinn also pointed out that Smith and his family never denied the allegations of occultism and magic when early antagonists such as Eber D. Howe (Mormonism Unveiled, 1834) produced testimony affirming this truth (p. 323).
Drawing magic circles, "which has been central to the ritual magic of incantation, necromancy, and treasure-hunting," was done by Smith and observed by his neighbors (p. 70-101). Since Smith owned implements such as a dagger for drawing the circles and seer stones, "it is irrational to claim that the Smiths did not actually use those objects they possessed, which were so important to their acknowledged interest in buried treasure" (p.322).
Quinn wrote: "Throughout his ministry, Joseph Smith affirmed the reality of witchcraft and sorcery. While the 1830 Book of Mormon contained ancient condemnations (Alma 1:32, 3 Ne. 21:16, 24:5, Mormon 1:19, 2:10). His revelations in 1831 and 1832 reaffirmed the reality of sorcerers (D&C 63:17, 76:103)" (p.291).
As far as Smith's knowledge of occult works and other materials that he could have borrowed from, Quinn says LDS apologists who deny Smith's access to books are contrary to the evidence. "Newspaper advertisements and library holdings prove access, even if they don't prove possession or page-turning," he said (p. 145). "Textual parallels involved books published as recently as the late 1700s and early 1800s. Some of these clearly were available to the Smiths" (p. 322).
The idea that the name of Nephi replaced Moroni in the 1842 Smith-published Times and Seasons was not a clerical error, Quinn believes. "Because the names sound nothing alike, clerical error is unlikely in the manuscript recording of Smith's dictation. The use of Nephi in the manuscript history about the coming forth of the Book of Mormon seems instead to be the prophet 's intentional substitution of another name for Moroni" (p. 199). Nephi's name is connected with occultism, Quinn points out.
The very idea of three degrees of glory (multiple heavens) is "compatible with occult views. Even 'degrees of glory' was an occult phrase connected with the ancient mystical beliefs of Judaism." Quinn rightly points out that, despite FARMS' insistence that the idea of the Mormon three-tiered heaven comes from the Bible, "the phrase 'degrees of glory' is nowhere in those biblical verses." The idea occurs with certain English occultists (p. 216).
Although many have presupposed that Mormonism's temple ceremony has Masonic roots (and strong evidence supports this view, for Smith and his early henchmen certainly practiced Masonry for a while and were thrown out of the organisation for stealing the rituals which appeared nearly word for word in the subsequently developed 'Mormon Temple Ceremonies'), Quinn disagrees:
'I believe that the underlying philosophy and purpose of the two were fundamentally different. Mormon revelation, in fact, proclaimed that the LDS endowment directly restored what Masonry acknowledged it had only some connection with--the occult mysteries of the ancient world" (p. 227).
He gave several different examples to support his point, including this:
"Freemasonry's minor emphasis on the heavenly outcome of its rituals was a chasm between Freemasonry and the Mormon endowment. A concept of heavenly ascent was completely absent in many pro-Masonic writings before the 1840s. However, such an ascent was central to the occult mysteries of the ancient world" (p. 229).
Mormons are taught that the LDS garment is a physical and spiritual protection - a kind of spiritual amulet or good luck charm. Quinn notes the irony of how some modern Mormons tend to shy away from this view, although a great number of Latter-day Saints still cling to the idea that bad luck will more likely come when they fail to wear the garments. Quinn also shows how Canadian researchers discovered that "Mormons use luck-charms and amulets in sports competition more than non-Mormons." In fact, the athletes used such practices as "double-knotting one's shoelaces, wearing socks inside out, wearing lucky item of clothing, or wearing a lucky charm "(pp. 276-277).
'Tolerance' is clearly not too bothered if they create misconceptions through their site, as well as affiliating themselves with occultists to prove that they have a vested interest in the outcome of an individual's search for the truth about the occult. Nevertheless, we will endeavour to clear up some of these garbled and false claims they make. 'Tolerance' claims:
Many conservative Christians believe that if a person engages in occult experiences, then "points of contact or entanglement with demonic entities" will occur, and "malevolent spiritual entities" (demons) can infiltrate their mind and body. They become demon possessed.'
The Christian Expositor warns: any occultic involvement is dangerous and 'Tolerance' overstates the case by making a statement that infers that occult experiences automatically and inevitably lead to demonic possession. But it is plain to orthodox Christians that serious harm can result through mild dabbling with the occult and serious dabbling can lead to demonic oppression or possession. Since we don't know when the mark has been overstepped it is sheer folly to begin the potentially downward spiral. The case histories from the files of Dr Kurt Koch, which we detail later, show the horrific possibilities.
'Tolerance' does not believe in demon possession and therefore interprets all mention of possession in terms of mental illness, hence their claim that:
'This is one form of a mental disorder that others call Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) or Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) [the] 'views correspond closely to 1st and 2nd century CE beliefs in possession by demons and evil spirits…They have been abandoned by most for centuries. Such beliefs now appear to be confined to a small minority of mental health professionals who are Roman Catholics or conservative Protestants'.
They fail to mention that 'most psychiatrists, psychologists and other mental health professionals' have been trained by two arch-occultists, Freud and Jung, so it is no surprise that they would follow their mentors' leading in attributing problems of the psyche to 'mental disorder' rather than the supernatural! 'Tolerance' quotes 'Rex W. Rosenberg, a conservative Christian clinical psychologist who has specialized in Multiple Personality Disorder believes that such infiltration can lead to what he calls "" (DMD).' If Rosenberg were an orthodox Christian he would not be inventing new terms to describe demonisation, so it appears that he is another 'Christian' who does not follow the Bible fully, or adjusts his terms to gain acceptance by the world in which he works. The term Christian psychologist is a misnomer and usually a cover-up for using non-Christian methods based on occultic techniques.
'Tolerance' holds this view of Christian books 'written by Evangelical and Fundamentalist Christian authors in opposition to the Occult…Most are filled with misinformation and are quite unreliable. It is probable that an accurate book written on the Occult and sold through Christian book stores would be an economic failure; it could not compete with the fear and lurid descriptions of its inaccurate competitors.' Since 'Tolerance' is so intolerant that it rejects the orthodox Christian viewpoint we should not be surprised to read this view. But, since they lump all 'Christian writers' together they are also making judgements on the wackiest offerings too.
They appear to show more 'Tolerance' in reviewing one book: 'One partial exception appears to be a "transition book" - one that offers some accurate data but which still contains a great deal of misleading information. The book is "When the Devil Dares your Kids, Protecting Your Children from Satanism, Witchcraft and the Occult" by Bob and Gretchen Passantino…The Passantino's are considerably more accurate than other Evangelical Christian authors, which typically project a totally false view of the Occult.' This 'misleading information' could not possibly be the same kind of 'misleading information' emanating from 'Tolerance' concerning true Christianity, could it?
Consider the following views of 'Tolerance' - and our replies - under their general heading of:
'Tolerance' views on 'Belief by others about the Occult'
'Tolerance': All occultic activities are controlled by demonic forces, and are inspired by Satan.
The Christian Expositor: Impossible for 'Tolerance' - or anyone else - to disprove this!
'Tolerance': Engaging in any occultic practice will lead to personal demon possession.
The Christian Expositor: Not necessarily true, but possible - the orthodox Christian view is that God Himself can send an evil spirit to rebellious people when they ignore or disobey His Sovereign will (ref. King Saul: 1 Samuel 28)
'Tolerance': All occultic activities are controlled by a single, secret, international organization that is seeking total political power.
The Christian Expositor: Is there any evidence for an actual 'secret international organisation', or are the strings being pulled by a single entity that 'Tolerance' doesn't recognise - even when they are involved in this occult 'organisation (who we'll call Satan) as we see later! Speculation about an actual physical organisation has been touted in books by wacky 'Christians' such as Jack Chick who sponsored the Rebecca Brown books on 'witchcraft' which made this kind of claim, but which were thoroughly debunked in the orthodox Christian press (ref. Personal Freedom Outreach).
'Tolerance': Occultists hate Christianity.
The Christian Expositor: Some clearly do, most are indifferent or dismissive, but this doesn't alter the facts observed by experts in the occult, such as Dr Koch whose case histories and testimonies are given below.
'Tolerance': Once you start in the Occult you are prevented from leaving.
The Christian Expositor: This depends on the depth and nature of involvement - again see Koch's evidence.
'Tolerance': All occultic practices are recruiting programs for Satanism.
The Christian Expositor: Occultic practices are not from God and involvement in them is forbidden by Him. Is Satan clever enough to use such means. The Bible says 'Yes' (1 Chronicles 21:1; Zechariah 3:1; Matthew 4:10; 16:23; Mark 1:13; 4:15; Luke 13:16; 22:3; 22:31; John 13:27; Acts 5:3; 2 Corinthians 2:11) and the evidence of the ignorance displayed by participants and the authorities who should care about this kind of thing concurs.
'Tolerance': "Occult crime" is a separate class of criminal activity inspired by the Occult.
The Christian Expositor: Obviously there must be some 'occult crime', and it is impossible for 'Tolerance' to claim there isn't! But is it on a massive scale? Clearly none of us knows, but the wacky 'Christians' mentioned earlier believe so without any substantial evidence.
'Tolerance': Occult groups commit 50 to 60 thousands of human sacrifices per year.
The Christian Expositor: Again, impossible for anyone to prove or disprove this for sure but, since thousands of people disappear each year, some of them will be due to bizarre, occultic, ritualistic murders. We cannot go further than this statement and, as shown earlier, most police forces show no real interest in investigating crimes with a supernatural element. If you've seen the 'Yahweh ben Yahweh' cult documentary (shown on cable/satellite) in which twenty or more people were ritually killed (many by beheading with a macheté and their ears ritually sliced off!), you will have seen how difficult it was to gather witnesses because of the fear factor. Only the evidence gathered from a handful of the victims figured in this prosecution, because of this fact, and many 'witnesses' were also injured or murdered.
'Tolerance': All elements of the Occult recruit extensively, and concentrate heavily on youth.
The Christian Expositor: Certainly some branches do, particularly of the ouija board variety;
'Tolerance': Witchcraft, Wicca and Satanism are essentially identical.
The Christian Expositor: This is true of their origins, but not of their practices
'Tolerance': With the exception of Satanists, no occult groups recognize the existence of Satan.
The Christian Expositor: All this proves is a need to deny the force behind their practices; satanists are obviously going to claim their leaders' existence (even if they think he is a force they can manipulate) and the others are obviously going to deny it so they can continue to practice their beliefs with a clear conscience! Ron L. Hubbard's 'Scientology' was born out of occultic experiences (ref. Bare-Faced Messiah by Russell Miller) although its proponents may claim it as a religion rather than admit it is a sci-fi cult. When practitioners are ignorant of their origins how can they be accurate about their roots?
'Tolerance': Mental health professionals essentially all agree that demons do not exist.
The Christian Expositor: We have already pointed out the occultic connections with 'mental health professionals' who are themselves part of the deception; orthodox Christians (see Koch's evidence) have seen ample evidence that the 'name of the Lord Jesus Christ' carries far more weight in dealing with the cases the professionals would give other labels to, such as Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) or Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID).
'Tolerance': Possession is impossible.
The Christian Expositor: How many untreatable cases exist in the mental hospitals of the world? All the 'mental health professionals' can do is drug the patient to prevent further injury to themselves or others, or offer such barbaric alternatives as 'electric shock therapy' which can kill! Strange that these cases are often dealt with by Christians simply relying on the power of the Lord Jesus Christ! No drugs, no electric shock - just prayer and love! (cf. Koch's case histories).
'Tolerance': All occultic groups work quite independently of others, with the exception of co-operation during psychic fairs.
The Christian Expositor: True, but whereas Christian groups which differ only in minor details often unite in inter-denominational meetings because they share the same source and essentials of their faith - the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ found in the Bible - occultists are NOT supposed to share the same source according to 'Tolerance'! Why, then, do they co-operate - this couldn't be some 'single, secret, international organization' could it?
'Tolerance' : Some Satanists ridicule Christianity.
The Christian Expositor: Some clearly do - read their books and look at some of the rabidly anti-Christian sites on the web!
'Tolerance' : Some Wiccans are annoyed by prejudice and physical attacks on them by Christians.
The Christian Expositor: Bible believing Christians will not fraternise (fellowship) with Wiccans, but will show love to them if given the opportunity. The few 'Christians' who attack them are not orthodox Christians and are more likely to be of the wacky 'fundamentalist' or Roman Catholic variety. Again, if 'Tolerance' was more discriminating in its own definitions it would know the difference.
'Tolerance': But, most of the remaining occultists are Christians.
The Christian Expositor: What does this mean? Certainly, Roman Catholicism is mixed up with the occult in Voudun, Macumba, and other compilations of black magic with Catholicism in different parts of the world, but the accusation of 'Tolerance' holds no water in genuine orthodox circles and therefore ranks with their own accusation directed at 'Evangelical Christian authors, which typically project a totally false view of the Occult.'