'Replies from Christadelphians'

7.  Jannene Elmer……(cont.)

6th November, 2006

(Continued from page 256)

17  "Be hostile to the Midianites and strike them;  18  for they have been hostile to you with their tricks, with which they have deceived you in the affair of Peor, and in the affair of Cozbi, the daughter of the leader of Midian, their sister who was slain on the day of the plague because of Peor."

We no longer strike deceivers with a literal spear or sword, as Phinehas did (Numbers 25:7-8):

7 When Phinehas the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he arose from the midst of the congregation, and took a spear in his hand;  8  and he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and pierced both of them through, the man of Israel and the woman, through the body. So the plague on the sons of Israel was checked.

But we must follow the example of Phinehas, who checked the plague by striking first his deceiving brother and then the adulteress, by striking today's deceivers with the 'sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God' (Ephesians 6:17), 'living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart' (Hebrews 4:12). Only by correct application of the Word of God would the plague on Calvary Baptist Church be stopped - and the incorrect use of the Word of God (as demonstrated by the elder and deacons of the church and the Baptist Union) would be shown to be ineffective!  Of course, the Wheelhouse's may take their plague to another idolatrous church, for there are many to choose from here in Britain!  This  is a plague that is on most British denominations who are committing adultery with the world and its false religions through ecumenism and compromise of every kind.

In today's flabby Christian environment it is difficult to get Christians to any meeting - even the Sunday services - so how could we oppose Wheelhouse to his face except by goading his followers out by making much of the evidence against him clear in a letter. Writing a letter to warn others of error is clearly 100% Scriptural as proven above. What did we do that was un-Scriptural?  Why do the so-called leadership of Calvary Baptist Church and the Baptist Union have no answers to these facts? In these days of easy communication through the mass media, and through the tape ministry of churches such as Calvary Baptist Church, it is obvious that teaching will rapidly be spread far and wide - both good and bad!  If we are denied access to equivalent media outlets the only method of public correction of false teaching is to write letters, tracts, books, or rely on the Internet to call the attention of the Body to errors that affect the whole of Christianity.

In keeping with many other scriptures that could be cited, 1 Corinthians 14:29 clearly states:  'Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the others judge.'  Clearly the issue is not whether an individual listener is offended by what a preacher has said, even if one could stretch that to be a 'sin' against his brother.  It would be entirely inappropriate for a listener to take aside the prophet or teacher he felt had spoken falsely and have a private discussion with him and, only if he refused to hear, then tell it to the church.  The issue is the doctrinal purity of the Body, which must be guarded at all cost -  what has been publicly stated must be discussed publicly.  This applies to teaching as well as prophecy.  It may well be that the prophet spoke truly and the offended listener was wrong.  So when he speaks out against what the prophet or teacher has said, he himself will be corrected by others. It is this kind of open discussion among believers that the Bible teaches, and that is the only protection against error being introduced and allowed to corrupt the church. Never is it suggested that no one must disagree with what is being taught because to do so would cause 'division.'  On the contrary, we are told that we must correct error in teaching and do so publicly.

Furthermore, what has been said in sermons, books, on videos, tapes, on TV, etc., is part of the public domain, subject to review, analysis, and critique of any kind.  Anyone who makes public declarations intended to influence large audiences through these media ought to know that he is responsible for what he says, and will be held accountable.  Some reviews and comments are going to be unfavourable, but that is to be expected.

It is also obviously not necessary to talk with a writer or speaker in order to be accurate and fair. It is a rather weak excuse to say that a writer or speaker really didn't mean what he said, he made 'a mistake', or 'sometimes we wish we had used different words.'  The speaker has no excuse - he should have said what he meant.  Unfortunately, there are thousands and sometimes millions who have read or heard a particular teaching and taken it at face value, as any reasonable person would.  Words have meaning and it is assumed that the normal meaning applies.  That is all we did in critiquing these sermons.  Even if Roger Wheelhouse [or anyone else!] does not believe the doctrinal slant that came from his mouth, we must still deal with what has been taught for the sake of those who may have been affected by it.  If a person has changed his beliefs, then he ought to publish or speak about this matter just as widely as he did when making the original statements. His renunciation of any false or misleading teaching he has given in the past should be corrected publicly rather than make a private explanation to an individual.  This is logical and Scriptural and we can read Paul's self-denunciation in Acts 22 & 26.  If Paul never attempted to duck the issue then why do Roger Wheelhouse, Calvary Baptist Church, and the Baptist Union believe that they can?]'

The un-Scriptural stance you propose and the questions you ask are thoroughly answered by these passages.  We have written more on other pages. You will also notice that we pull no punches because we are dealing with those who supposedly hold orthodox Christian beliefs.  Denominations are not important.  Holding to the truth of God's Word is all that matters!

So that we are clear: Christadelphianism claims, like many other non-Christian cults, to be the authentic Christian Church with authentic Christian doctrines.  However, amongst its major errors is denial of the Deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit, and the teaching that Jesus was a created being who had a fallen nature who Himself needed to be redeemed - leaving Christadelphians with a less than perfect saviour.  A Jesus who is not divine cannot save anyone! 

So you should now know why we warn that Christadelphianism is a dangerous cult that brings people to eternal damnation by teaching a false God and false saviour with a false gospel.

Sincerely in Christ Jesus



30th October, 2006 - Jannene 'replies':

haha you're so funny! how much time do you spend trying to undermine our beliefs?! is this your full-time job or just a hobby?! amazing. im not even going to bother to read this, is such rubbish, you really are the false prohet at work!
please go find something more useful to do!


30th October, 2006 - TCE replies:

You write:  'amazing. im not even going to bother to read this, is such rubbish' ?!

TCE:  It would appear that you are too foolish to even recognise your own contradiction - even when you only write a few sentences (of dubious construction).

And your response also makes it clear that the truth is not important to you!

Tim's efforts - http://www.thechristianexpositor.org/page162.html - would have revealed his youth even if he had not admitted his age.

Your efforts betray so much more - and may also be the last Christadelphian comment on these pages. Some advert.

27 He who restrains his words has knowledge, And he who has a cool spirit is a man of understanding. 28 Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise; When he closes his lips, he is counted prudent. Proverbs 17:27-28

Sincerely in Christ Jesus



6th November, 2006 - Jannene 'replies':

i think it was pretty obvious that i was referring to your comments. age or sentence construction means nothing, my faith is sure and nothing you can say will ever change that. and they wont be the last christadelphian comments to appear on the page because i havent given consent for you to use them


6th November, 2006 - TCE replies:

Anyone reading this might just be thinking 'Duh!'

Let's make this simple:  if you don't read something - and you claimed you hadn't 'bother[ed]' (while your reaction said otherwise!) - how can you know whether it is rubbish or not?!

Clearly you can't!  Or are you claiming divine inspiration?

You repeatedly reveal either your age - or your intellectual age - with every sentence and thought you don't construct.

Clearly the inspired writers who penned the Word of God thought it worth conveying God's message accurately - without accurate sentence construction you would leave words open to considerable variation in interpretation (which would be consistent with the cultic views of interpretation you first expressed!).

And those who write to web-sites
which have clearly specified the conditions under which e-mails will be accepted have evidently acceded to those conditions!


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