'Replies from Christians'

12. 'Hope'

16th November, 2010

15. Your writings on your website do not serve the Church of Christ for good in any way whatsoever.  Rather, they war against it, serving only to pitch Christian against Christian, because of their differing views

16th November, 2010 - 'Hope' writes:

To  The Christian Expositor

I note you to be someone who hides their identity behind a pseudonym.  I also note that the owner of the domain name www.thechristianexpositor.org is Mr. David Williams of Llanishen, Cardiff, so I assume it is to he whom I am addressing this email.

Mr. Williams. Your writings on your website do not serve the Church of Christ for good in any way whatsoever.  Rather, they war against it, serving only to pitch Christian against Christian, because of their differing views.  As Christians we are called to
build up one another, but you, in your guise as expositor chose instead to tear Christian brothers apart, simply because others do not conform to your viewpoint.  The Church today is composed of may different factions.  Some we agree with.  Some we differ with.  Never the less the Church, in ALL of its factions, divisions and denominations is THE BODY of CHRIST.  Focusing upon areas in others that you do not agree with is an extremely bad thing to do.  It can only lead to disharmony, division, and even perhaps fighting, setting one part of the body against another.  I perceive through your writings that you have been hurt in some way, at some time in the past, by another Christian, and that this is the underlying reason for your warmongering writings.  Therefore, in the name of Jesus, who is the Head of the body, I call upon you to repent, and turn aside from your unwise ways, Mr Williams  If this is the case, that you have been hurt by a fellow Christian, and that you are harbouring anger towards them, I urge you, in your heart, to forgive that person or persons, and if possible to inform them that you have forgiven them.

Please, would you cease tearing Christ's body assunder and instead try to work towards uniting  His Church.




22nd December 2010 - TCE replies:

Dear 'Hope,'

thank you for taking the time to express your view.

Since you accuse others of 'hid[ing] their identity behind a pseudonym', perhaps you would like to reveal your identity - or are you really called 'Hope'?

Even a brief search, using the respective page of our site, would have revealed one of the few contributors whose name appears and therefore is not 'hidden' in any way at all!  Considering the possible outcome of writing articles critical of Islam, within the context of violence offered as the main response by that evil religion, you might gain some understanding of the actual reasons for not advertising identities excessively?  Are you familiar with the work of apologists to Islam, e.g. Walid Shoebat, Joel Richardson, or Mark A. Gabriel?  Why do you think
they work from behind a pseudonym?

Perhaps, in these days of widespread lukewarmness, it is possible that the whole of your fellowship is in agreement with the views expressed in your letter, or of your use of their collective name?  Your application of the first-person singular pronoun would say -
not necessarily!

We no longer expend too much time in replying to e-mails because of their almost un-remitting nature, i.e. if you had read more than a smattering of our pages you would have discovered that you are in error and that the
whole of the Word of God does not support the views you expressed.

In fact we can safely go further and note that you write with a clear ulterior motive, not to say, an obvious agenda!  For you to attempt to rubbish us with a blanket accusation: 'Your writings on your website do not serve the Church of Christ for good in any way whatsoever' and then reveal the extreme paucity of your Biblical understanding by appealing to 'unity' at any cost - reveals another depth of ignorance that we have already dealt with extensively on our pages. 
So your claim to '... perceive through your writings that you have been hurt in some way, at some time in the past, by another Christian ...' cannot hide the fact that you are really in more of a rush to dismiss everything on our pages while making it obvious that you are willing to tolerate any Christian with  'differing views' and that we should 'build up one another' even when 'others do not conform to [y]our viewpoint.'  So you are really saying that you are happy to accept just about anything from anyone calling themselves 'Christian' - but in
our case we should destroy all our web-pages because they 'do not conform to your viewpoint' (which is that we are guilty, in some way imagined by you, of 'warmongering')!  Perhaps you can supply us with a single example on our pages where we advocate 'war' against fellow-believers.  You should certainly be able to find examples where we advocate spiritual 'war' against the enemy of the church, Satan, 'The prince of the power of the air' (Ephesians 2v2) and his followers, using 'the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God' (Ephesians 6v17) which 'is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart' (Hebrews 4v12).  We will also supply evidence that the last truly great, orthodox evangelical in the UK, Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones, also urged believers to 'fight' against the errors you advocate - and clearly in the manner we follow.

Your exhortation to 'build up one another' sounds right until it is compared with the whole counsel of Scripture.  All the 'one anothers' in Scripture include the important emphasis on being true to the Word of God first, e.g.:

(Colossians 3:16):  Let
the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

(1 John 1:7):  But
if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Clearly, it is only by remaining in the light through close adherence to the Word of God that we can have 'fellowship with one another'!  Those who deny the whole counsel of the Word to the point where they embrace heresy - and support the heretics who bring false teaching into the church - are not to be fellowshipped with and, as abundant examples prove (see later), are to be removed (unless we remove ourselves from
their presence because elders refuse to bring correction).

The truth of the matter is that you are confusing the correction of error, as clearly demonstrated in the Bible, with the acceptance of a variety of errors which clearly had significant affect on ministries that you probably have little or no problem with accepting.  While you claim that the 'Church today is composed of may [
sic] different factions.  Some we agree with.  Some we differ with' your conclusion that 'Never the less [sic] the Church, in ALL of its factions, divisions and denominations is THE BODY of CHRIST' is tragically in error.  It is perfectly clear that there are 'factions' and 'divisive people' who are to be removed from the true church and not just tolerated and allowed to deceive and corrupt true believers.

If your view was correct why did the apostle Paul name people whose view departed from the Biblical truth that was still being written even as he exhorted the church to repent and deal with these men?

We made the errors of thinking such as yours very clear in these sections, including these words on our

'Paul's approach to discernment and correction was faultless. Peter and Barnabas weren't the only ones he admonished. To them we can add Hymenaeus, Philetus, Demas, Phygellus, Homogenes and Alexander (cf.
1 and 2 Timothy). The beloved John makes the readers of his third Epistle aware of the problems caused by Diotrephes. This follows the pattern of the Old Testament where we should note that all of the prophets, from Moses and Joshua onwards, were addressing error and named those who were erring - whether it was personal sin, such as David with Bathsheba (2 Samuel 12), or Micaiah prophesying defeat for wicked king Ahab (1 Kings 22) - or a letter from Elijah the prophet to wicked king Jehoram (2 Chronicles 21) in which God judged him ... '

Christian 'giants' of the past regularly emphasised the need for
sanctification and holiness - why doesn't the contemporary church heed these warnings?:

A doctrine which is needful to salvation can never be too sharply developed, or brought too fully into light....He who supposes that Jesus Christ only lived and died and rose again in order to provide justification and forgiveness of sins for His people, has yet much to learn...[and] is dishonouring our blessed Lord and making Him only half a Saviour. The Lord Jesus has undertaken everything that His people's souls require; not only to deliver them from the guilt of their sins by His atoning death, but from the
dominion of their sins, by placing in their hearts the Holy Spirit...to sanctify them.... The notion of purgatory after death, which shall turn sinners into saints, is a lying invention of man, and is nowhere taught in the Bible. We must be saints before we die, if we are to be saints afterwards in glory....We need the work of the Holy Spirit as well as the work of Christ; we need renewal of the heart as well as the atoning blood; we need to be sanctified as well as to be justified....When an eagle is happy in an iron cage, when a sheep is happy in the water, when an owl is happy in the blaze of noonday sun, when a fish is happy on the dry land - then, and not till then, will I admit that the unsanctified man could be happy in heaven. (J. C. Ryle, 1817-1900)

What you claim was a matter of 'Focusing upon areas in others that you do not agree with ...' was doubtlessly the analysis of un-Biblical and deceived thinking (as exposed by the Word - Ephesians 6v17; Hebrews 4v12) that was literally Hell-bent on supporting men whose self-aggrandising teaching and action was severely damaging to many true believers.  If you can find examples on our pages where this is not so we expect you to supply these and support your views, not indulge in fanciful judgements on our motives.

You advise us to 'cease tearing Christ's body assunder [
sic] and instead try to work towards uniting His Church.'  We are fully cognizant with the strong emphasis in the New Testament on the unity of the church and dealt with the subject on this page and other places (see search engine).  But is your appeal to seek unity 'with the Church, in ALL of its factions, divisions and denominations' Scriptural?

Jesus' goal is that 'there shall be
one flock, one shepherd' (John 10v16), and He prays for all future believers 'that they may all be one' (John 17v21). This unity will be a witness to unbelievers, for Jesus prays 'that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you have sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me' (John 17v23).  Paul reminds the Corinthians that they are 'called to be saints together with all those who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours' (1 Cor. 1v2).  Then Paul writes to Corinth, 'I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment' (1 Cor. 1v10; cf. v. 13).  He encourages the Philippians, 'complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind' (Phil. 2v2). He tells the Ephesians that Christians are to be 'eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace' (Eph. 4v3), and that the Lord gives gifts to the church 'for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ' (Eph. 4v12-13).  How do you propose that 'ALL ... factions, divisions and denominations' fulfil these obligations to the Word of God - which is the only source that the Spirit will use to bring about such unity?

Paul can
command the church to live in unity because there already is an actual spiritual unity in Christ which exists among genuine believers. He says, 'There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all' (Eph. 4v4-6). And, though the body of Christ consists of many members, those members are all 'one body' (1 Cor. 10v17; 12v12-26).

Because they are jealous to protect this unity of the church, the New Testament writers give strong warnings against those who cause divisions:

I appeal to you, brethren, to take note of those who create dissensions and difficulties,
in opposition to the doctrine which you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. (Rom. 16v17-18)

Note - it is those who are
'in opposition to the doctrine which you have been taught' who are 'to be avoided!  We most definitely are not to ignore or accept any teaching or action that is contrary to Biblical truth and we have clearly and comprehensively detailed the doctrinal errors we stood against in our web-pages - if you can show us where TCE have been in opposition to doctrine from the Word of God we will correct those errors.  We do not claim to be faultless, but strive continuously to be Bereans (Acts 17v11) and follow the Word as closely as possible.

Paul opposed Peter to his face because he separated from Gentile Christians and began eating only with Jewish Christians (Gal. 2v11-14).  By your reasoning Paul should have quietly acquiesced to Peter's preference for dining companions!  Scripture warns us that those who promote 'strife ... dissension, party spirit ... shall not inherit the kingdom of God' (Gal. 5v20-21).  And Jude warns that those who 'set up divisions' are 'worldly people, devoid of the Spirit' (Jude 19).  These divisions are caused by opposition to 'sound doctrine' (1 Tim. 1v10; 2 Tim. 4v3; Tit. 1v9; 2v1) and we most definitely
are not to seek unity with such people!

The New Testament emphasises the unity of believers and commands us to
separate from unbelievers.   Paul's inspired words:  'Therefore come out from them, and be separate from them' (2 Cor. 6v17) are in support of his opening command of that section, 'Do not be mismated (yoked) with unbelievers' (2 Cor. 6v14).  Paul also tells Timothy that he is to 'avoid such people' (2 Tim. 3v5), referring to unbelievers who are 'lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding the form of religion but denying the power of it' (2 Tim. 3v4-5). He says that these people are 'men of corrupt mind and counterfeit faith' (2 Tim. 3v8).  There is also church discipline that requires separation from an individual who is causing trouble within the church (Matt. 18v17; 1 Cor. 5v11-13), and there are also the reasons Paul gives for Christians separating into 'factions' over doctrinal differences involving serious heresy, as we discussed in detail on our pages:

'...we are in fact
called by Scripture to ensure that factions exist (1 Corinthians 11v19) to prove who is right!  In the contemporary church there are few factions because the false unity of ecumenism has done its work. Though differences are irreconcilable, and wrong belief condemns its adherents to an eternity separated from God, the modern church will sing 'Halleluiahs' while brother's burn.'

These passages on church unity tell us that, in addition to working for the purity of the visible church,
we are also to work for the unity of the visible church. Yet such unity does not require one worldwide church government over all Christians. In fact, the unity of believers is often demonstrated quite effectively through voluntary co-operation and affiliation among Christian groups. Moreover, different types of ministries and different emphases in ministry may result in different organizations, all under the universal headship of Christ as Lord of the church.  Therefore the existence of different denominations, mission boards, Christian educational institutions, college ministries, etc., is not necessarily a mark of disunity of the church (though in some cases it may be), for there may be a great deal of co-operation and frequent demonstrations of unity among such diverse bodies as these.  There should not be a worldwide government of the church, because the New Testament pattern of church government never shows elders having authority over any more than their own local congregations.  In fact, even in the New Testament the apostles agreed that Paul should emphasize missionary work to the Gentiles while Peter would emphasize missionary work to the Jews (Gal. 2v7), and Paul and Barnabas went their separate ways for a time because of a disagreement over whether they should take Mark with them (Acts 15v39-40), though certainly they had unity in every other way.

However, there is a so-called unity today that is positively destructive to the true gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.  The early church had something that many churches today have lost: 
Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the scriptures daily to see whether these things were so (Acts 17v11).  We have something in churches today that comes from the secular world and the false religious systems - what some have called a 'guru̓ mentality.  Whatever the Brahman priest, the guru, the Pope, the rabbi, the imam, or the pastor says becomes like the Word of God to the adherent! A mind-set has developed among Christians whereby anyone who appears to be gifted of God now has their word treated as if it were the Word of God, without any sense of a need to check it out. If the 'guru' said it, they believe it!

What example did Paul set? Paul was used by God to perform miracles, signs and wonders; he saw healings and tremendous conversions.  Whole churches were planted.  He wrote half of the New Testament. He was a rabbi of the rabbis, a pharisee from the school of Hillel.  He was a disciple of Rabbi Gamaliel.  But Paul never claimed to be a 'guru' type leader and warned: 
But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed (Galatians 1v8).  Paul always realized that the real authority came from Jesus and God̓s Word.  He was a good steward of the authority vested in him.  There are people today whom God has called and blessed with gifts as in Paul's day so that many people are saved, but a mentality has come into the church whereby whatever that person says becomes the truth.  Thus Christians are accepting these 'gurus' and the trend is spreading from hyper-charismatic/Word-Faith circles into Restorationist groups and house churches, then on into the remnants of main-stream Christianity.  Which will bring the most casualties - the 'gurus,' or the lukewarm followers who drift along until they die off and another chapel closes?

As we have made clear on our web-pages, we cannot follow people who are allowed to act as 'gurus' with the approval of un-Scriptural denominational officials and lukewarm nominal Christians.  The Greek word for
heresy does not simply mean doctrinal error. The real meaning refers to someone who is hyper-schismatic, someone who forms a faction. The book of Galatians speaks directly to the sin of 'party spirit̓ in which a league is formed which is not of God̓s Spirit, but which claims to have a corner on truth.  Everyone outside the group is a second-class believer, or second-class Christian.

The only real basis of truth is found in the Bible. In the 'best' churches you will obviously find some things which are in error as well as some people in error; and even in 'bad' churches you will find some things done Biblically and some people following the Word - as the seven churches in Revelation show.  'Party spirit', or a tendency to form factions, is a 'deed of the flesh̓ (Galatians 5v19-21) but, as we have shown, there are two kinds of division and 1 Corinthians 11v19 demonstrates that there have to be factions among Christian fellowships to prove what is true.

Failure to follow this Biblical admonition has resulted in error pouring into the church through such major deceptions as ecumenism which is, of course, a false unity not of God̓s Spirit.  The Holy Spirit is the 'Spirit of Truth' (John 15v26) and you simply cannot build the unity of the Spirit on error. To unite with churches that teach salvation comes through 'sacraments,̓ instead of by being born again and that practice transubstantiation and praying to the dead, is clearly un-Biblical and immoral.  That is not the unity of the Spirit, for Bible believing Christians cannot unite with the false religious system of this world.

It is clearly wrong for Bible believing Christians and churches to be inordinately divided from each other, but unity of the Spirit is based on a common experience of God̓s grace and salvation in Jesus,
and commitment to the authority of His Word.  We have detailed how fellowships have gone against Scriptural truth and chosen to support their 'guru' and put his authority and doctrines above the exhortation of Scripture.  But truth becomes a lie when people make the truth of the 'guru' the basis for all other truths.  The one Biblical basis for all truth is the Lord Jesus Christ.  Christ died; Christ rose from the dead; Christ is coming again. The cross, the empty tomb, and the Mount of Olives is the basic truth upon which all other truths must be built. All other truths must be centrally predicated on the truth of Jesus.

Even the truth about the Holy Spirit has been distorted into an un-Biblical picture by the Charismatic and Pentecostal movements.  The ministry of the Holy Spirit is pictured for us in the Genesis account (Genesis 24) of Abraham sending his servant to get a bride for his son Isaac. Isaac the son corresponds to Jesus; Abraham corresponds to the Father; and the servant is the Holy Spirit. The Father sent his Servant to prepare a bride for His Son, from amongst His own people. The Holy Spirit is always a servant who points people to Jesus.

In many contemporary churches the Holy Spirit is amplified above Jesus as congregations sing  choruses of: 'Come Holy Spirit' and 'Holy Spirit we worship You.'  The Holy Spirit is never prayed to in the Bible. He is only worshipped in the context of the Triunity of the godhead, as part of the Trinity, but He is
never prayed to directly.  And so a truth becomes a lie. Instead of Jesus being the central truth upon which all other truth is based, another truth is put in the place of Jesus and the false teaching results in all kinds of charismatic excesses and un-Biblical doctrine.

The Bible says (Hosea 4v6): 'My people perish for a lack of knowledge,' and people today are perishing for a lack of knowledge.  There is no doubt that a consensus of people who would describe themselves as 'Christian' in today's Britain would parallel those who use the same description in the USA - a nation that is much more familiar with wearing the 'heart on the sleeve'.  A considerable number who would claim to be Christian would also deny the fundamentals of the Christian faith and believe that there are 'many paths to heaven.'  Figures in the USA would suggest that such 'believers' are in excess of 50% of those claiming to be 'Christian'.  Knowing this to be true in so many fellowships, which ones should you fellowship with if they reveal themselves to be supporters of un-Biblical leaders and their doctrines?  There obviously comes a time when it is Biblically right to separate yourself from unbelievers and those who support such leaders and doctrines.  But first the believer needs to defend the Word of God before these people and make the truth clear to them.  If they reject the truth, preferring to accept the lie, and prove themselves incapable of defending their own actions and beliefs, as they did in every case detailed in 'Savage Wolves,' they sometimes do you a favour by throwing you out of their pseudo-cult!  Those who call on us to make 'peace' with the heretics and their supporters, as described in 'Savage Wolves', ignore the fact that the Bible is clear that 'peace' cannot be sought or obtained with 'the world' (James 4v4) - and those who wish to run their Christianity by the world's standards are to be avoided!

The church has clearly lost the spirit of the Bereans and now accepts what the 'gurus' say simply because they seem to be right - at least some of the time.  Scripture warns us:

Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we shall incur a stricter judgment (James 3v1).

Passion for unity, at the expense of doctrine, means that many churches and their denominations welcome into their 'unity', without question, Roman Catholics, Quakers, and many other groups that show a vestige of 'Christianity'.  Through 'Promise Keepers' the Mormon cult is now being accepted.  We have heard the cry from Cardiff pulpits that the people of the city will know we have 'unity' by the love we show to
one another - while the leaders meet with Roman Catholics.  Is it 'love' to allow such as Roman Catholics to go to a lost eternity because they accepted 'another gospel' (Galatians 1v6-9) through another Christ (2 Corinthians 11v4) that the Bible does not teach?  With a commitment not to violate the theologies of members and to 'no evangelism' as an unwritten promise, groups such as Promise Keepers follow the lead of many of our churches and embrace an ecumenism not experienced since the Reformation.  Furthermore, Rome admits in its ecumenical dialogues that the road to Christian unity is the road back to Rome while harbouring the Vatican's age old political ambitions!  For this reason Rome will never deal with evangelical theologians or leaders who have been born again and left the Roman Catholic Church, because they know the errors of Rome and recognise it as the enemy of Christ.  Those who enter into ecumenical unity with Rome, men like those of the Baptist Union, mislead the Church into a unity that also joins liberal Protestantism in cultivating unity with religions that worship false gods. In Europe and America this trend is also becoming increasingly political in scope and will ultimately become a prelude to the rise of Babylon predicted in the Book of Revelation.

(Continued on page 272)

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'Hopes' Ecumenical and un-Scriptural rant reveals how nothing has changed since the Great Apostasy began - just examine the similarity in the evidence going back to the days of Dr Martin Lloyd-Jones:

'Your writings on your website do not serve the Church of Christ for good in any way whatsoever …   I perceive through your writings that you have been hurt in some way, at some time in the past, by another Christian, and that this is the underlying reason for your warmongering writings ... in the name of Jesus, who is the Head of the body, I call upon you to repent … cease tearing Christ's body assunder [sic] and instead try to work towards uniting  His Church …'

'Never are we told to make unity, but to "keep the unity of the Spirit" (Ephesians 4:3) which we already have in Christ. Our lives and the doctrine upon which our lives are founded are to express God's Word and His truth. Any deviation therefrom denies the unity which is ours in Christ. Those who are not members of Christ's body through having believed the gospel are not part of this family, and there is no "unity" believers can fabricate to make them so.'         
(Dave Hunt, The Berean Call, April 1998)

While 'Hope' instructs us to follow un-Biblical principles in an attempt to 'cease tearing Christ's body assunder [sic] and instead try to work towards uniting  His Church' we will continue to 'advocate spiritual 'war' against the enemy of the church, Satan, 'The prince of the power of the air' (Ephesians 2v2) and his followers, using 'the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God' (Ephesians 6v17) which 'is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart' (Hebrews 4v12).

(TCE, Feb. 2011)

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