'Replies from Muslims'

Rami Sbeiti - 1

29th September, 2003

Subject: Muhammad did

Hi,

It is more blasphemous not to give strong consideration of the likely possibility that Muhammad was the prophet to follow Jesus (Peace and Blessing be upon him). Remember, Jesus spoke of a comforter and not a messiah to follow him. Clearly, Jesus in Islam is The Messiah (Anointed one - By the FATHER'S WILL who is Greater than Jesus). Muhammad never claimed to be more than a messenger (delivering a message - as Jesus foretold when he said he will speak not of HIS own but of what he HEARS) Please read the pages of the link I attached for you.


http://www.soa.uc.edu/org/msa/meci/Prophesy6.html [Note (2008): link no longer works]

Take care,

Rami

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30th September, 2003 - TCE replies:

Dear Rami

thank you for taking the time to write to us.

We have carefully considered the Muslim evidence for the claims of Muhammad and proven that they fail totally to uphold the claimed position but, rather, prove that he was indeed a false prophet.

Muhammad the Comforter?


Regarding the claims made through Song of Solomon, 5:10-16, we find that this is a familiar ploy - trying to force the Hebrew text to reveal Muhammad when, in fact, the text reads
machmad and not 'Muhammadim' at all. Searching the Bible for words that sound something like an Arabic equivalent or a description of Muhammad to try and find a connection to support the claims of Islam is a regular claim - such as the attempt to prove that the word 'amen' in the Bible actually meant 'Ahmend', that is, 'Muhammad'!

As we wrote at
http://www.thechristianexpositor.org/page107.html :

'The coming of Muhammad was not predicted by pagan soothsayers, Old Testament prophets, or New Testament apostles. This is true despite the extreme lengths some Muslims will go to in trying to construct some biblical prophecies for the coming of Muhammad. A common example is the Muslim attempt to claim that Jesus' prediction of the coming of a 'Comforter' in John chapters 14, 15, and 16, was a reference to Muhammad. However, if you read John 14:26 you find that the Comforter is specifically identified as the Holy Spirit (cf. John 16:13) whom the Father will send in the name of Jesus Christ. Other claims from Biblical passages are equally easily rebutted. Muhammad himself certainly never claimed to be the Holy Spirit who had come in the name of Jesus Christ.

Conclusion? While the coming of Christ was preceded by numerous prophecies the coming of Muhammad was not predicted by anyone.'


Muslims are clearly ignorant of the fact that the Holy Spirit, who came at Pentecost in prophetic fulfilment of Joel 2:28-29, perfectly fulfilled the words of Jesus in every way and is therefore identified as the Comforter/Paraclete, because He is also divine (the Greek word in John 14:16 is 'allos', meaning 'another of the same kind') as Jesus is Divine. The Holy Spirit is Divine and the Third Person of the Godhead and therefore of the same kind as the Lord Jesus Christ, Divine and Personal!

It is also noticeable that your website reference only partially quotes Scripture when it writes:

'In John 14:15-16, Jesus says:

"If you love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray to the Father and He shall give you another Comforter."'

Why did they leave the rest of the verse out? Because it continues to say of 'the Comforter' (verse 16-18):

'That He may be
with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know him because He abides with you, and will be in you.'

Clearly, Muhammad cannot be this Comforter because he could never be with us 'forever' since he was only human and was a sinner who died and is buried in a grave!
Only a Divine Spirit Person can fulfil the description of being 'in' his disciples who follow Him - as the Lord Jesus Christ promised of Himself and the Father, too! (see John 14:23):

'If anyone loves Me he will keep My Word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our abode with him.'

Muhammad never claimed to be Divine and, of course, Islam denies that God can have a Son, never mind admitting the Divinity of Jesus. So, when you speak of blasphemy you should remember that, in this, Islam blasphemes against Christ as no other major religion does! As we pointed out at the reference above on our web-pages, the claims of the Lord Jesus Christ are in an utterly different sphere to the claims of Muhammad. Why would any Christian want to exchange our Friend and Mediator, the Lord Jesus Christ, who has saved us to the uttermost (totally, there is nothing we can add to His perfect sacrifice at Calvary) as described at:
http://www.abideinchrist.com/messages/peacegod.html

Those who are 'in' the Lord Jesus Christ are saved 100%. We can add nothing to His Work on the cross (which Islam denies) and, like the thief on the cross (Luke 23:39-43), once we believe in Him alone for our salvation, go immediately to be with Him in Paradise when we die! This is a justice and love for which no other religion has an answer. The claims of Muhammad are shallow in comparison and the Christian who knows his Bible will recognise that Islam has nothing to compare with the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Many other Biblical passages have been cited by Muslim apologists without concern for the original language or the context of the text, e.g. Genesis 49:10; Deuteronomy 18:15-18; 32:21; 33:2; Psalm 45; 149; Isaiah 21:7 and others. They have been ably dealt with by Christian scholars and detailed Christian responses to these claims can be found in:

C. Pfander,
The Balance of Truth (London: The Religious Tract Society, 1910), pp. 228ff.,252ff.

John Gilchrist,
Is Muhammed Foretold in the Bible? (Benoni, South Africa: Jesus to the Muslims, 1987).

Percy Smith, "Did Jesus Foretell Ahmed?"
Muslim World, vol. 12 (1922), pp. 71ff.


In Christ Jesus

TCE

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1st October, 2003 - Rami replies:

Dear friend,

Thank you for a response.

You with all that you said, you've discredited yourself with one phrase which you said and did so obviously out of hatred which consumes Christians when they think that someone or something could have come and taken away their rights to Jesus…

You wrote: Muhammad never claimed to be Divine and, of course, Islam denies that God can have a Son, never mind admitting the Divinity of Jesus. So, when you speak of blasphemy you should remember that, in this, Islam blasphemes against Christ as no other major religion does!

My response: How can you say this after what Jesus' own people (The Jews) did to him? How learned are you of what the Jews have committed onto Jesus (Peace and blessings be upon him). Does it NOT phase the Christians today how the Jews STILL reject Jesus!!!? You, like most, have built a prejudice against Islam but have done so blindly when the writings are on the wall, you continue to refuse. Muhammad (PBUH) never claimed divinity or worship of himself (As you stated). On the contrary, he spoke clearly that he was just an (ILLITERATE) man with a clear message to all people. Jesus spoke of a Paraclete who will Glofy Jesus. Not only does Muhammad glorify his birth, ascension and RETURN. Not only this, his clear love and respect for Jesus' mother (Virgin Mary) and attributes an entire Sura to her! Where is such love shown to her in the NT? Do you not think her conception is a miracle in itself? Did Jesus perform this miracle upon Mary or was it GOD? I can go on but instead, I want to share something quite interesting with you and I do hope you will at least read it in its entirety (You will find it interesting at the very least).

By the way, you never fully answered by question about Jesus saying "He (the paraclete) will not speak of his own but only of what he HEARS". Does the Holy Ghost hear? Think logically here.

God bless you and know that in order for one to be a Muslim, his/her belief in Jesus Chris is Paramount!


Rami

Hi again! I forgot to provide you with the link:

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-20479/Christ.htm [Note (2008) link no longer works]

Enjoy.


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14th October, 2003 - TCE replies:

Dear Rami

thank you again for taking the time to respond.

Christians hate Muslims!


Your accusation of
'hatred which consumes Christians when they think that someone or something could have come and taken away their rights to Jesus...' is completely groundless.  Why would you think that any Christian would hate a Muslim?  Our Lord Jesus Christ taught us (Luke 6:26-36):

LK 6:26 Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets.  LK 6:27 "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.  LK 6:32 "If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even `sinners' love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even `sinners' do that. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even `sinners' lend to `sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

It is, of course, impossible for anyone to take away a Christians'
'rights to Jesus' for He made powerful promises to Christians (John 10:25-30):

Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one."

Since the Son and the Father are equally Deity (which is denied by Islam) a Christian is eternally secure as stated here.  Ahmed Deedat is one of those Islamic scholars responsible for confused ideas about Christianity because he reads and often uses the literature and arguments of the Jehovah's Witnesses.  The meaning of '
I and the Father are one' is not merely the Oneness of will and design but, as the context shows, Oneness of power and operation.  Deedat follows the Jehovah's Witnesses method of confusing this statement with the Oneness of John 17:20-22:

JN 17:20 "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

In
John 10 the context shows that Christ was claiming not merely the same will & purpose as the Father, but the same irresistible power as the Father:

'no one can snatch them out of my hand' (v28),

'no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand' (v29).

The Lord Jesus ascribes the same thing to Himself as to the Father.  He promises eternal security  to His followers, because of His and the Father's Almighty power.  The response of the Jews in
verse 31 shows how they had interpreted, "I and My Father are one."   They obviously  deduced He meant Oneness of Essence, Equality, and Godhead, and therefore sought to stone Him.  Had the Jews received a false impression He would undoubtedly have corrected this but, rather than do that, Christ makes further statements to confirm that He was One in essence with the Father, with the result that in verse 39 we read: 'Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp'.

It would not be just the Jews who would have asked how a created being, no matter how  exalted and perfect, could ever give eternal life (John10v28) and make the claims of Christ if He were not truly God?  The Bible is clear that many - not just Jews - will reject the claims of Jesus.  Most of those in Islam also reject His claims so it is fruitless to try and suggest that this is comparable, or more serious, than the blasphemy of Islam.

Prejudice against Islam?


When you claim that:

'You, like most, have built a prejudice against Islam but have done so blindly when the writings are on the wall, you continue to refuse'

you fail to acknowledge the reason we reject Muhammad and his Koran as well as the difference between the spreading of Islam by the sword and the spreading of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ by preaching the Word and allowing the Sovereign work of the Holy Spirit to 'quicken' those who accept the Saviour God.  Islam misunderstands the nature of Christianity, which is not about coercing every member of every nation to follow the 'state religion' as Islam has always done historically and is doing now in many nations such as the Sudan.  If your conscience was working in the way God designed it to function
you would be 'phased' [sic] by these continuing atrocities rather than concerned about some Jews rejecting Christ.  Do you not hear about the many Jews (and Muslims) in Israel and worldwide who do accept the Saviour?

Regarding the rest of your paragraph:

Jesus spoke of a Paraclete who will Glofy [sic] Jesus. Not only does Muhammad glorify his birth, ascension and RETURN. Not only this, his clear love and respect for Jesus' mother (Virgin Mary) and attributes an entire Sura to her! Where is such love shown to her in the NT? Do you not think her conception is a miracle in itself? Did Jesus perform this miracle upon Mary or was it GOD? I can go on but instead, I want to share something quite interesting with you and I do hope you will at least read it in its entirety (You will find it interesting at the very least).

By the way, you never fully answered by question about Jesus saying "He (the paraclete) will not speak of his own but only of what he HEARS". Does the Holy Ghost hear? Think logically here.

We will address the questions you raised here, and which are also disseminated by Ahmed Deedat and the Islamic Propagation Centre International in the United Kingdom and use their quotations from the Quran while referring to the conclusions they draw.

In
John 14:16 we read:

"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever."

As we stated briefly in the first reply, we are familiar with the Muslim attempts to smuggle Muhammad into the Bible by trying to surmise the original Aramaic word they presume was used by Jesus for 'Comforter'.   Since this is impossible to determine, for the Holy Spirit specifically inspired the preservation of the Word of God in the Greek language, perhaps  because it was more capable of conveying fine nuances, Muslim apologists turn to the Qur
*an which claims (in Surah 61:6) that Jesus explicitly mentioned the name Ahmad:

"And (remember) when Jesus Son of Mary said: "O, children of Israel! I am the Apostle of Allah (sent) to you confirming the Torah (which came) before me, and giving glad tidings of an Apostle to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad (the claim is that this is the second name of Prophet Muhammad, and literally means 'the one who praises Allah more than others')."

(Continued on page 350)

Topics discussed on pages responding to Muslims
Section 1-36:

Muhammad the Comforter? (1) (2)

Christians hate Muslims!

Prejudice against Islam? (1) (2)

Is the Holy Spirit a Person?

Ahmed Deedat's debates!

Jesus - Begotten not created!

Jesus - 'My Lord and My God'!

Christ - God and Saviour

The Bible or the Koran?

Qur'anic Mistakes (1) (2)

Mistakes About the Trinity

Mistakes About the "Son" of God

Accuracy of the Bible vs. Qur'an

Sword of Islam

Trinity and the Father

Atonement before Adoption

Justification entirely by Grace

Law versus Grace

Begotten not created!

Was Jesus Crucified?

Sin and the Atonement

The Christian view of Sin

The Character of Sin

The Conditions Required

Salvation

The Person Required

Only the Son of God

The Mode of Death

Holiness Through Jesus' Sacrifice

The Conditions Fulfilled

Atonement not At-one-ment

Only Jesus brings Peace with God

Islam, Christians and Jews

Islamic jihad worldwide

Slavery Today!

Who are the real terrorists?!

Deaths caused by Secular Wars

Who dropped the Atomic Bomb?

The Origin of Nazi Ideals?

'Kill the Jews' - Quotes

Islamic Links to the Nazis

Muhammad took Mecca peacefully!

Details about Jesus unimportant!

'The Trinity' cultic revisitation

What makes Islam so evil?

Crusade-like ... leads to hell

Accuracy of the Qur'an? (2)

Importance of Hadith Literature?

Eternal Destiny, Sin and Death

Holy Jehovah or 'Deceiver' Allah?

Contradictions of 'The Deceiver'

Contradictions in other Suras

'The Night of Power'

Predestination to Damnation

One Muslim's Despair

What Islam Says About Zinaa

Contrary to Qur'anic teaching

Nonsense of 'Abrogation'

The Unchanging God of the Bible

More on Dhimmis - and Jizyah!

Dawah and Jihad

Following Muhammad's Example

'Jesus ... Violence and Swords!?'

Old Testament - 'God's Holy War'!

Miracles and Islamic Conquests?

Hadith Accounts of Miracles

Biblical Tests expose Muhammad!

Those 'Satanic Verses'

Moses - a true predictive prophet

Moses proves veracity of Gospel

Muhammad supported Polytheism!

Jehovah's Judgement vs. Allah's

Joshua's "Ethnic Cleansing"!

The Peaceful 'Sword of the Spirit'

Christ Revered in the Qur'an?!

Science and the Qur'an!

Qur'an - sun sets in muddy spring!

Illiteracy of Muhammad?

Origins of the Qur'an?

Islam not as evil as depicted!

The Bible exposes Muhammad!

Muhammad - Christ's Successor?!

Qur'an and Bible - same origin?

Muhammad's lying permitted!

The 'Moon God Theory'

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