'NAM and Salvation'

3.  David_Box of Qi (cont.)

10th November, 2005

(Continued from page 368)

You write:  Maintaining the compassion can be elusive at best in this imbalanced society that has been created and seems to be expanding globally.

There is compassion and empathy for the human condition missing within your accusations and even in the definition of what you call NAM's.

TCE:  If you have read the previous discussion of God's view of the 'human condition' - and His remedy in Christ - you will recognise that, far from 'missing ...compassion and empathy' the Biblical view we present states fairly and firmly both the state of man - and the remedy. If you look at the right hand side of our page -
http://www.thechristianexpositor.org/page2.html - you will see a list of questions regarding the accusations against Christians who reveal the truth about Roman Catholicism. These points also apply to all other deceptions:

'When a man bows before an idol of ivory, begging for salvation, and you tell him it cannot answer - is this hate?

When someone's little girl...must tell her thoughts, her emotions and temptations to an unmarried priest in the confession box, and you tell her she need only confess to Jesus - is this hate?

When a poor grieving widow pays from her meagre substance for Masses for her dead husband, desperately hoping to end his pain in purgatory, and you tell her there is no purgatory - is this hate?

When one billion souls, for whom Christ died, trust a well-fed pontiff dressed in gold and fine linen to give them the keys to Heaven, and you tell them they need no one but Jesus - is this hate?

When Jesus, God's gift of love to all mankind, pointed his finger at the Pharisees and called them so many snakes - was this hate?

When the Apostle Paul stood on Mars Hill and dared tell the philosophers of pagan mystery religion that they were too superstitious - was this hate?


To free a man from Satan's chains, you must first tell him he is a prisoner. You must convince him that he is lost and without hope... .There are those who call [evangelical] literature "hate literature." But they do not know the true meaning of hate.

True hatred hides the gospel in beautiful words that upset no one, and therefore bring no conviction of sin. True hatred stands in selfish silence as hell's population grows.

Battle Cry, May-June 1993'

Your accusations are really no different. But, basically, how can we be criticised for revealing the truth which can bring eternal life to men rather than eternal 'death.' In Britain we have 'Public Health Warning - Smoking Can Damage Your Health' on cigarette packets. Do you agree with such warnings? Or do you think that every human being should have the freedom to damage their spiritual health and not be warned? In this life, if we find young children playing with knives or fireworks, do we warn them or let them find out by their tragic mistakes where the dangers lie?

The God of the Bible has already shown absolute 'compassion and empathy for the human condition' by showing that man is utterly incapable of 'saving' himself - or even leading a 'good' or 'righteous' life in his own power. The Bible clearly teaches that the 'human condition' is constant - "There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death" (Proverbs 14:12, niv). This is the path being trod by New Agers. They appeal to no moral standard, are not governed by the God of the Bible or His eternal law, and want nothing to do with an objective code of righteousness. New Agers decide for themselves what is right because they are 'God'. Anything is permissible for New Agers because sin and evil are not real. They are only illusions. In reality this belief means that New Agers teach that people actually create the tragic events that take place in their lives - that someone living in intolerable situations, experiencing the throes of terrible physical illness or financial ruin, are simply playing 'a game'. But they are playing a game which they created for themselves to play! New Age thought teaches that people are the only thing that is real. Everything else is imagination - so there are no victims in this life or any other, no mistakes, no wrong paths, no winners, and no losers.

Regarding your complaint concerning the 'definition of what you call NAM's' we have already seen that your definitions are somewhat at odds with the majority of those who would call themselves 'New Agers' or who, by their actions, prove themselves to be a part of the movement. New Agers don't realise how inconsistent they are within their own 'code' or 'morality' and your own writing reveals this fact - 'As hard as it may be to believe, all ways are ultimately God's Way.' Yet, at the same time that you try and make a point against us, you are contradicting basic NAM 'doctrines.' For instance, the common NAM view is that there is no evil - while contending that some things are inherently "good" (e.g., ecology, natural health, brotherhood). Such positions are irreconcilable because there is supposedly only the one great Absolute ('Golden Light ...God's Light Within'), the single Substance that constitutes all reality. Consequently, there cannot be any right and wrong or good and evil - yet you claim that 'Satan is connected to that Golden Light. Satan denies and despises that very light, but is very much eternally a part of it, and is also very much part of each of us.' When you claim that 'Without the dark, there is no light' you are both being illogical and making a claim in direct opposition to the view of most of the NAM. Your claims that 'Al Quida seem to severely misinterpret The Word and act upon it in ways that harm others physically and mortally' and that we can 'See the light within yourself and all beings. Be aware of the darkness within, by all means, but do not spread the darkness', is contrary to the general NAM view that darkness and evil is an illusion. 'Your way is not the only way' and 'all ways are ultimately God's Way' are in obvious contradiction of Jesus' words concerning the nature of His claims for Himself:

[John 14:6] Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

The few New Agers who see this inconsistency pursue their monism to its logical end by holding that the forces of "evil" are actually "part of God". The view is that they are not separate from God, for everything is God. There is nothing else, in fact, but God." To a consistent New Ager, then, sin and evil are only aspects of the same Force permeating all "that is" (a concept clearly advocated in the blockbuster movie Star Wars).

New Agers vary somewhat in consistency on the concepts of good and evil, and most view a personal devil as nothing but an illusion. The Word of God says that the devil, evil, and sin are all very real. Jesus, who you at least acknowledge in some way (although your view of Him - 'Jesus Christ was clearly blessed with a divine connection. We are each very capable of maintaining - and in fact do maintain - that connection' - is actually an insult compared with the truth revealed in the Bible!), often mentioned Satan (Matthew 13:37-39; Luke 10:18; 13:16). He never said Satan was merely an illusory product of the mind - as so many New Agers claim - but, instead, Jesus called the devil a "murderer" and "a liar" in whom there was no truth whatsoever (John 8:44). Jesus' temptation in the desert (Matthew 4:1-11) would have been a perfect opportunity to destroy the illusion of Satan by simply showing that the Adversary was unreal. Instead, Jesus spoke with the devil, was tempted by him, and overcame him. But your claim that 'Satan is connected to that Golden Light' is an insult to the God of the Bible comparable to the Mormon's claim that Satan was the brother of Jesus!

What about
your other views:  'Your words are based in a rational and fear based judgment, not in Spirit, in my opinion.

It is my judgment/opinion that it is not your place to crucify (be it with words or on a cross) others that have beliefs that are different than yours or, rather, your interpretation of God's Word.

If you read the passages on your website carefully, you are indeed crucifying others for having beliefs that are different than your own.

That is exactly the same thing that led to the crusifiction of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ was a man that spoke his truth, which was also the truth of God. And he was killed for it by people that feared and/or disagreed with what he was saying for a variety of reasons.

There are many interpretations of God's Word and they are each accurate (for the individual that holds them).'

TCE:  The Bible has a very different view of the 'darkness' you speak of. Regarding sin, the prophet Jeremiah observed that the heart of man is desperately wicked (Jeremiah 17:9). All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:9-12, 23). Everyone stands justly condemned as sinners before the righteous God of the universe (Romans 5:18-19) who judges according to His eternal law (Romans 7:7; James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4), which is itself holy, just, and good (Romans 7:12).

Such a concept may be especially distasteful to your claim that we can be as enlightened as Christ but, since you insult Him in every possible way, it ill behoves you to attempt to point out 'the speck' in another's eye while you do not notice 'the log that is in your own eye?' (Matthew 7:3-5). To claim that we 'crucify (be it with words or on a cross) others that have beliefs that are different than yours or, rather, your interpretation of God's Word....indeed crucifying others for having beliefs that are different than your own' is simply ludicrous. If you knew anything about Scripture you would know that it was the God of the Bible, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, who allowed men to crucify Jesus. Christ was God in flesh, the Perfect Son of Man and the prophesied Messiah who fulfilled the Law the scribes and Pharisees claimed to believe in. Ultimately, God had planned this Sacrifice to save the whole world from their sin if they would but accept this free gift:

[Philippians 2:5] Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, [6] who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, [7] but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. [8] Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. [9] For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, [10] so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, [11] and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

The covenant that saves men is an agreement among the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in which the Son agreed to become a Man, be our representative, obey the demands of the covenant of works on our behalf, and pay the penalty for sin, which we deserved. The Bible speaks about this specific plan and purpose of God that was agreed upon by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in order to gain our redemption. On the part of the Father, this "covenant of redemption" included an agreement to give to the Son a people whom he would redeem for his own possession (John 17:2, 6), to send the Son to be their representative (John 3:16; Rom. 5:18-19), to prepare a body for the Son to dwell in as a man (Col. 2:9; Heb. 10:5), to accept him as representative of his people whom he had redeemed (Heb. 9:24), and to give him all authority in heaven and on earth (Matt. 28:18), including the authority to pour out the Holy Spirit in power to apply redemption to his people (Acts 1:4; 2:33). On the part of the Son, there was an agreement that he would come into the world as a Man and live as a man under the Mosaic law (Gal. 4:4; Heb. 2:14-18), and that he would be perfectly obedient to all the commands of the Father (Heb. 10:7-9), becoming obedient unto death, even death on a cross (Phil. 2:8). The Son also agreed that he would gather for himself a people in order that none whom the Father had given him would be lost (John 17:12). The death and resurrection of Jesus would demonstrate the perfection of God's love and power through humiliation as summarised in Philippians 2:5-11.

Why did Christ need to go to the cross? Because of the sin factor: all people are sinful before God. Scripture in many places testifies to the universal sinfulness of mankind. "They have all gone astray, they are all alike corrupt; there is none that does good, no, not one" (Psalm 14:3). David says, "No man living is righteous before you" (Psalm 143:2) and Solomon says, "There is no man who does not sin" (1 Kings 8:46; cf. Proverbs 20:9). In the New Testament, Paul has an extensive argument in Romans 1:18-3:20 showing that all people, both Jews and Greeks, stand guilty before God. He says, "All men, both Jews and Greeks, are under the power of sin, as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one"' (Rom. 3:9-10). He is certain that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom. 3:23). The apostle James, the Lord's brother, writes, "we all stumble in many ways" (James 3:2) and John, the beloved disciple who was especially close to Jesus, wrote:

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:8-10)

So, what really did 'le[a]d to the crusifiction [sic] of Jesus Christ'? It was our sin - yours, mine, and that of every person who ever lived or will live - that nailed Him to that cross, David! It certainly was not arguments over beliefs that crucified Christ. Perhaps you are not familiar with Jesus' own words regarding His arrest by the scribes and priests?:

Matthew 26:53 Think you that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? 26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be? 26:55 In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are all of you come out as against a thief with swords and staves in order to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple, and all of you laid no hold on me. 26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.

Jesus made it clear that He allowed them to arrest Him to fulfil Scripture - although He could have been rescued by legions of angels if He had so chosen! You may believe the inventions of the enemies of God over the testimony of the Word of God, Jesus (John 1:1; Revelation 19:13), but this only re-emphasises the nature of the problem that New Agers have trying to deal with the Scriptures.

Jesus was not some New Age guru seeking enlightenment of some kind! He was perfectly holy. Yet, in obedience to the Father and out of love for us, Jesus took on Himself all the sins of those who would someday be saved. God hates sin and all that Jesus hated most deeply was poured out fully upon Him, by His choice! Scripture shows clearly that our sins were put on Christ: "The LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all" (Isa. 53:6), and "He bore the sin of many" (Isa. 53:12). John the Baptist calls Jesus "the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world" (John 1:29). Paul declares that God made Christ "to be sin" (2 Cor. 5:21) and that Christ became "a curse for us" (Gal. 3:13). The author of Hebrews says that Christ was "offered once to bear the sins of many" (Heb. 9:28). And Peter says, "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree" (1 Peter 2:24).

The passage from 2 Corinthians quoted above, together with the verses from Isaiah, indicate that it was God the Father who put our sins on Christ. How could that be? God imputed our sins to Christ; that is, He thought of them as belonging to Christ and, since God is the ultimate judge and definer of what is real in the universe, when God thought of our sins as belonging to Christ then in fact they actually did belong to Christ. This does not mean that God thought that Christ had himself committed the sins, or that Christ Himself actually had a sinful nature, but rather that the guilt for our sins (that is, the liability to punishment) was thought of by God as belonging to Christ rather than to us.

Can we object that it was 'not fair' for God to transfer the guilt of sin from us to the Holy and innocent Christ? Not at all, for Christ voluntarily took on Himself the guilt for our sins, so this objection has no force. Moreover, God himself (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is the ultimate standard of what is just and fair in the universe, and He decreed that the atonement would take place in this way, and that it did in fact satisfy the demands of His own righteousness and justice. New Agers would like to believe that they can argue away the Christian concept of a vicarious atonement because the Jesus Christ of the New Age movement is very different than the Jesus Christ of the Bible. John 1:18 tells us that Jesus Christ came to declare God to us and to accomplish that which no one else could do - die for the sins of the ungodly (Romans 5:6, 8).

The NAM rejects these doctrines because they reject God's personality and transcendence. They must turn to a host of avatars/teachers who are supposedly 'saviours/way-showers.' So they try to claim that Jesus, rather than being the unique Son of God, was only one avatar (or Son of God) among many. All of them, including Jesus, had been prepared for their station as avatars by living and working through countless reincarnations. The idea of multiple avatars is but another Hindu lie that has been adopted by the New Age Movement. The New Testament explicitly declares in John 1:18 that Jesus Christ is the "only one of a kind" (Greek: monogenes) Son of God who, in the fullness of time, came to reconcile mankind back to God (Galatians 4:4-5; Colossians 1:19-20).

Peter the apostle declared to Jesus, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" (Matthew 16:15-16). He did not make a NAM declaration, "Thou art a great avatar upon whom rests the Christ." The apostle Luke also identified Jesus as the Christ: "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord" (Luke 2:11).

Passages identifying Jesus as the Christ fill the New Testament from Matthew to Revelation (Matthew 1:16; Luke 24:46; Acts 9:22; 18:28; Ephesians 5:23; Hebrews 3:6; 1 John 5:1; Revelation 11:15). In fact, the entire New Testament was expressly written so that those reading it would realize that Jesus was "the Christ" (John 20:31). Why would New Agers believe that Jesus is not "the Christ"? The answer is found in 1 John 2:22: "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is an antichrist." If you wonder why our website is so unequivocal in warning against the NAM you now know why.

The New Age Movement is little more than Hinduism, the religion that has kept India in slavery to occultic thinking for thousands of years, that prefers starvation of people to preserve sacred cows, and attempts to disguise this fact with Western terminology to present it as a new brand of spirituality that will supposedly be mankind's long-awaited key to Utopia. The only tangible difference between Hinduism and the New Age Movement is that Hinduism is world denying while the New Age Movement is world affirming. But few materialistic Westerners are willing to adopt the Hindu tradition of abandoning all worldly possessions (and their families and loved ones if it is necessary to jettison them to pursue a self-centred 'spiritual' quest) to go meditate on a mountain, or in a cave. Out of necessity, Hinduism's asceticism has been replaced by something much more palatable to Western tastebuds - materialism. At its doctrinal core, however, the New Age movement is still Hinduism.

The conflict between Christianity and Hinduism is unavoidable because Hinduism absorbs all religions while Christianity excludes all religions. The New Age Movement follows this pattern in attempting to absorb all religions but, despite your typical efforts to try and re-interpret the Bible to fit your own views, orthodox Christianity cannot be squeezed into the NAM mould. This is the danger of the New Age Movement. Everything in it has been designed by Satan to do one thing and one thing only - to destroy people's faith in the God of the Bible. This is clear from examination of the history, doctrines, and practices of the New Age movement.

There is certainly no way in which New Age reasoning or opinion is based on God's judgement - as the true Spirit of God, who inspired the Bible, makes clear:

John 4:23-24 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."

John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you.

Romans 9:1 I am speaking the truth in Christ, I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit ...

Ephesians 1:13 In him you also, who have heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and have believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit ...

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.

Obviously you would like to believe that our interpretation of the Bible is incorrect, but more careful examination would reveal that only systematic exegesis and hermeneutics can come to a correct interpretation of every verse of Scripture. New Agers like to pick and mix Bible verses to try and support their deceptive doctrines, but careful examination shows the futility of such eisegesis. If you examine the illogical 'theology' of the Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons on our pages you will see how constantly they contradict themselves - just as the NAM does!

You adhere to the essence of the New Age movement - every religion is perfectly acceptable because each one teaches essentially the same thing. Since all is one and one is all, "God" can be reached by many ways. There is no personal Saviour, incarnate Redeemer, or atonement for sins. All religious leaders are equal, be it Buddha, Mohammed, Zoroaster, Confucius, Krishna, or Jesus. However, Scripture declares that Jesus alone is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6), and "neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12). Such is the abundance of Scriptural support of Jesus' own claims to be the unique Son of God, equal to the Father - and the only Saviour - that, even if any of the other leaders/avatars had made the same awesome claims (which none of them did!), the claims of Christ would remain unassailable.

New Age 'universalism' attempts to present a broad path to God - but Jesus said that the way to God is narrow while the broad way "is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it" (Matthew 7:13), while the narrow way has been hidden from them by Satan, 'the god of this world' (2 Corinthians 4:3-4). As Christians we must let New Agers know that the only way to God is through belief in the Biblical Jesus of orthodox Christianity.

Sincerely in Christ Jesus


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