'Replies from Muslims'

Nadir Ahmed - 35

30th December, 2003

The 'Moon God Theory'


Subject: about Dr Robert Morey

Hi,

I hope this message reaches you in the best of health. I came across this website of yours regarding the Moon God Theory, which was invented Dr. Robert Morey:

http://www.thechristianexpositor.org/page100.html
[page number changed -
go here]
and I felt that I had to contact you and bring this serious matter to your attention. Unfortunetly, I do not think Dr. Robert Morey is a trustworthy source, and often fabricates to support his views. This has been documented by both reputable Christians and Muslim sources:

Christian Source:
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/f12.html
[Note (2008): some links from this article on Morey no longer work]

Quote: "He made false and ignorant accusations, and tried to justify them by misquoting texts from the Quran"

Muslim source:
http://www.examinethetruth.com/morey_challenge.htm

Quote:  "If Dr. Robert Morey can prove my evidence as false by showing that his statements against Islam are true, I will offer him CASH awards (which is $500.00)"

Please keep in mind, that I am not discouraging you from criticising Islam, I welcome it. But rather, I am appealing to your sense of fairness and value for the Truth. I'm sure Christians have a high sense of integrety and would deplore any kind of delebrerate  misrepresentation of any religion. Therefore, I would like to request, the following  from your organization:

1. Contact Dr. Robert Morey and request him to take up the challenge immediately in which he can recieve $500.00 for simply showing a page number, verse, or reference for the statements he made about the alleged teachings of Islam, I have publically challenged him on his radio show, here is his phone number: 1-800-41-TRUTH.

2. If Dr. Robert Morey fails to produce any evidence for his statements, then I would request for you to stop supporting him in anyway. There are plenty of of other good Christian critics on Islam out there.

And lastly, I would to thank you for your time, I would like to follow up this message with a phone call or email in a couple of days if it is ok with you.

If you have any questions please feel free to write to me.

thanks,
Nadir Ahmed
www.ExamineTheTruth.com



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10th January, 2004 - TCE replies:

Dear Nadir

we have looked at the evidence on the web-sites you referenced, as well as
many others, such as:

http://www.studytoanswer.net/myths_ch3.html#3-3

http://users.hubwest.com/prophet/finished.htm/moongod.htm [Note (2008): link no longer works]

http://www.nccg.org/islam/Islam01-Allah.html

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god.htm

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

If these references are correct, it is clear that anyone checking on Robert Morey's work will need to read thousands of books to make sure that they have fully covered every aspect of his work. Simply offering a small reward as a carrot for Morey to engage in dialogue with you is unlikely to be sufficient to encourage him to retrace work which he is probably content to leave on the record. Clearly, there is an ongoing debate as to whether the Allah of the Qur'an is in fact a pagan Arab moon god of pre-Islamic times. Since academic theories are often discussed for decades before they are accepted or rejected, further research may determine where the absolute truth lies, but there are certainly several questions that need to be answered and which are inadequately addressed at the pro-Islamic sites you referenced:

1. Why did Muhammad fail to destroy the idolatry which continues to this day in the kissing of the black meteorite stone in the Kaaba if his religion was not merely a continuation of part of the pagan religion of worship of elemental things as followed by his tribe and region? Clutching at comparisons with other false religions and cults, such as the Roman Catholic Cult which encourages the kissing of statues of Mary and icons, will not deflect criticism of false Islamic traditions.

2. Why would the crescent appear so prominently in Islam? There are good reasons for Christian symbols, such as the cross of crucifixion - which Islam falsely denies - and the symbol of the fish, but Islam does not have one believable reason for a symbol of the moon.

3. Allah is clearly not the God of the Bible and no amount of rhetoric will change that fact, leaving the Christian with the clear duty to warn the world that Allah is another false god and no more deity than a carved tree.

We are therefore content to wait for clear refutation of the many claims against Islam and not rely on the flawed logic and facts which are a regular factor in Islamic apologetics and reach a crescendo in the work of such as Ahmed Deedat who certainly uses the devices your pro-Islamic sites accuse Morey of using. If anyone can supply us with sufficiently detailed evidence of error in Morey's work we will obviously adjust any of our references as necessary. At the moment we simply do not have the time to carry out the research necessary, but will endeavour to do so sometime in the next few
years.

In Christ Jesus

TCE

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15th January, 2004 - Nadir replies:


Hi David

here are the refutations to the false charges against Islam:

MOON GOD REFUTATION:

http://www.mostmerciful.com/moongod.htm
http://www.themodernreligion.com/comparative/christ/christ_moongod.htm [Note (2008): link no longer works]
http://bismikaallahuma.org/Polemics/moongod.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/moon_god.htm
http://www.examinethetruth.com/links2.htm


thanks,
Nadir Ahmed
www.ExamineTheTruth.com



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15th January, 2004 - TCE replies:

Anyone following these links can see that they do not change the position at all.


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Unfortunately, if you follow links to Nadir's site, you find him indulging in 'gnat straining' (or, rather, 'fly straining')
exercises that rarely address the important differences between Christianity and Islam, or the more disturbing aspects of Islamic faith, and are hardly dissimilar in conclusion-drawing from the problems he claims to find in Robert Morey's work!

A word of caution to all apologists and 'watchmen' may be worthwhile - words used in public speaking should be carefully chosen and clarified where necessary so that challenges of the kind Morey invites are avoided (we should say what we mean and mean what we say - not indulge in ad hominem attacks and vitriolic or overly caustic and sarcastic language)

Despite Morey's careless phrasing it is impossible for a Muslim to claim Allah is the Loving God of the Bible and the whole 'moon god' debate hardly detracts for a minute from the obvious horrendous and unbridgeable differences between these faiths.

Topics discussed on pages responding to Muslims
Section 1-36:

Muhammad the Comforter? (1) (2)

Christians hate Muslims!

Prejudice against Islam? (1) (2)

Is the Holy Spirit a Person?

Ahmed Deedat's debates!

Jesus - Begotten not created!

Jesus - 'My Lord and My God'!

Christ - God and Saviour

The Bible or the Koran?

Qur'anic Mistakes (1) (2)

Mistakes About the Trinity

Mistakes About the "Son" of God

Accuracy of the Bible vs. Qur'an

Sword of Islam

Trinity and the Father

Atonement before Adoption

Justification entirely by Grace

Law versus Grace

Begotten not created!

Was Jesus Crucified?

Sin and the Atonement

The Christian view of Sin

The Character of Sin

The Conditions Required

Salvation

The Person Required

Only the Son of God

The Mode of Death

Holiness Through Jesus' Sacrifice

The Conditions Fulfilled

Atonement not At-one-ment

Only Jesus brings Peace with God

Islam, Christians and Jews

Islamic jihad worldwide

Slavery Today!

Who are the real terrorists?!

Deaths caused by Secular Wars

Who dropped the Atomic Bomb?

The Origin of Nazi Ideals?

'Kill the Jews' - Quotes

Islamic Links to the Nazis

Muhammad took Mecca peacefully!

Details about Jesus unimportant!

'The Trinity' cultic revisitation

What makes Islam so evil?

Crusade-like ... leads to hell

Accuracy of the Qur'an? (2)

Importance of Hadith Literature?

Eternal Destiny, Sin and Death

Holy Jehovah or 'Deceiver' Allah?

Contradictions of 'The Deceiver'

Contradictions in other Suras

'The Night of Power'

Predestination to Damnation

One Muslim's Despair

What Islam Says About Zinaa

Contrary to Qur'anic teaching

Nonsense of 'Abrogation'

The Unchanging God of the Bible

More on Dhimmis - and Jizyah!

Dawah and Jihad

Following Muhammad's Example

'Jesus ... Violence and Swords!?'

Old Testament - 'God's Holy War'!

Miracles and Islamic Conquests?

Hadith Accounts of Miracles

Biblical Tests expose Muhammad!

Those 'Satanic Verses'

Moses - a true predictive prophet

Moses proves veracity of Gospel

Muhammad supported Polytheism!

Jehovah's Judgement vs. Allah's

Joshua's "Ethnic Cleansing"!

The Peaceful 'Sword of the Spirit'

Christ Revered in the Qur'an?!

Science and the Qur'an!

Qur'an - sun sets in muddy spring!

Illiteracy of Muhammad?

Origins of the Qur'an?

Islam not as evil as depicted!

The Bible exposes Muhammad!

Muhammad - Christ's Successor?!

Qur'an and Bible - same origin?

Muhammad's lying permitted!

The 'Moon God Theory'

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