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'Ordinary Muslims' - 13 (1 of 2)

4th November 2014

'Ordinary Muslims' claim 'Islam is the Religion of Truth' - then descend into the usual prevarication and mythology!

From:  Ordinary Muslims on Truth
Subject:  Islam the Religion of Truth
Received: 4th November 2014


Dear Friends, Good Evening,
How long you will defy the truth. How long you hide the truth. 
Your Bible Psalm: 91:4-12 clearly states that  Holy Jesus was never crucified. Yet You state that 
He was crucified.
Lies after lies. Holy Adam  & His wife were forgiven.Yet you say Children are born in Sin.
Isaiah 29:12.  Talks of Holy Prophet being a Prophet who never was at School & He was educated by ALMIGHTY ALLAH HIMSELF"
Mathew 4:10: " Worship the LORD your GOD and serve HIM only"
Exodus 20:3-6" Forbids not to make an Image of GOD  and to serve not Holy Prophet Jesus but ALMIGHTY GOD alone"
No other comforter ever came after Holy Jesus but Holy Prophet Mohammed a mercy to Mankind.
You blame Holy Prophet Mohammed for copying from Bible , but you Bible Contain so many mistakes but Holy Quran  has no scientific error

At The very beginning Bible talk of Vegetation came before the Sun. The Moon has own Light.
Talk of three Heavens when there  are 7 Heavens.
That universe was created in 6 Days, Holy Quran talk 6 Yom: May be 6000  Years.
For ALMIGHTY ALLAH says: One day with your Lord equals 1000 Years of Earth Days.
That  The Universe is 6000 Years Old.
Muslim Scientists say the universe is about 18 Billion Years old.
Islam says there were Advent of  124000 Holy Prophets in this Earth.
That Holy Adam was 90 Feet Tall  , The Holy Prophet Saleh was  40 Feet Tall & 32  Inches wide bodied &  His  Resting place in the Muslim grave yard of  Oman.
I will invite you all to read the report of Sir Isaac Newton who was a secret Muslim. Read the Gospel of Barnabas.
Read also The Bible The Quran & Science by  Dr. Mourice Bucaille.
Stand by truth that Holy Quran is the Last Holy Scripture & Holy Mohammed is the last holy Prophet & mercy to Mankind.
Islam is not a part of ISIS,  a peaceful Religion  as a result, though Million of Books are written against Islam, Now all Highly educated people of west are accepting Islam  & the total Muslim Populations stand at 2.4 Billion in the present world.
May ALMIGHTY  ALLAH guide all of you to truth.
Thank You,
Ordinary Muslims on Truth.


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TCE replies: 13th January 2015

Muhammad followed Satan's error of misusing Scripture coupled with his 'doctrines of demons' (1 Timothy 4:1-3)


Dear 'Ordinary Muslim(s)'

You write:  Psalm: 91:4-12 clearly states that  Holy Jesus was never crucified. Yet You state that He was crucified.

TCE:  First, let us carefully read Psalm 91:4-12:

4 He will cover you with His pinions, And under His wings you may seek refuge;  His faithfulness is a shield and bulwark. 5 You will not be afraid of the terror by night,  Or of the arrow that flies by day; 6 Of the pestilence that stalks in darkness,  Or of the destruction that lays waste at noon. 7 A thousand may fall at your side  And ten thousand at your right hand,  But it shall not approach you. 8 You will only look on with your eyes  And see the recompense of the wicked. 9 For you have made the LORD, my refuge,  Even the Most High, your dwelling place. 10 No evil will befall you,  Nor will any plague come near your tent. 11 For He will give His angels charge concerning you,  To guard you in all your ways. 12 They will bear you up in their hands, That you do not strike your foot against a stone.

You have made the sad mistake of following Satan's error of misusing (misquoting!) Scripture when he applied these words in his attempt to tempt the Lord Jesus Christ (read Matthew 4:1-11)!  From the high and holy experience of blessing at the Jordan, Jesus allowed Himself to be led into the wilderness for testing by the most evil creature in Creation - Satan! Jesus was not tempted so that the Father could learn anything about His Son, for Jesus already had complete Divine approval from the Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).  Jesus was tempted so that every creature in heaven, on earth, or under the earth might know that Jesus Christ is the Conqueror. He exposed Satan and his tactics, and He defeated Satan.  Because of His victory, those who believe in Him have victory over the tempter Satan and can never be defeated - not even by death (1 Corinthians 15:55-58). Just as the first Adam met Satan in the Garden of Eden, so the Last Adam (the Lord Jesus Christ) met the enemy (1 Cor. 15:45).  Adam met Satan in a beautiful Garden, but Jesus met him in a terrible wilderness.  Adam had everything he needed, but Jesus was hungry after forty days of fasting.  Adam lost the battle and plunged humanity into sin and death - but Jesus won the battle and went on to defeat Satan in more battles, culminating in His final victory on the cross (John 12:31; Col. 2:15).  The evidence of the Lord Jesus Christ's experience of temptation proves that He is fully the sympathetic High Priest (Heb. 2:16-18; 4:15-16) of all true believers.  It is important to note that Jesus faced the enemy as the Son of Man, not as the Son of God.  His first word was, "Man shall not live by bread alone." We must not think that Jesus used His divine powers to overcome the enemy, because that is just what the enemy wanted Him to do! Jesus used the spiritual resources that are available to true believers today: the power of the Holy Spirit of God (Matt. 4:1), and the power of the Word of God ("It is written").  Jesus had nothing in His nature that would give Satan a foothold (John 14:30), but His temptations were real just the same. Temptation involves the will, and Jesus came to do the Father's will (Heb. 10:1-9) and passed all the tests and temptations that could be hurled at Him by man and by Satan - and thus proved Himself to be the Perfect Sinless Second Adam (1 Corinthians. 15:47) who, as Son of Man and Son of God, fulfilled everything necessary to bring mankind back to God for Eternity.

The Islamic view of 'Sin'?


You write:  Lies after lies. Holy Adam & His wife were forgiven. Yet you say Children are born in Sin.

TCE:  Nowhere does Genesis 3 - or any other Bible verse - say that Adam and Eve were 'forgiven' - or that they were 'Holy'.

Adam was created by God and therefore was a perfect man and complete in every physical, mental, and spiritual endowment.  Placed in the Garden of Eden 'on probation' he certainly was holy and happy but, being created with a 'free will', he was capable of making wrong choices and of potentially sinning against God.

God had made the first covenant (Gen. 2:16-17) and a covenant is a binding arrangement between two or more parties that governs their relationship.  The word command is introduced at this point because it is God who makes the terms of the agreement. God is the Creator and Adam is the creature, a tenant in God's wonderful world, so God obviously has the right to tell him what he can and cannot do. God didn't ask for Adam's advice; He simply gave him His commandment. God had given great honour and privilege to Adam in making him His vice-regent on the earth (Gen. 1:28), but with privilege always comes responsibility.  The same divine Word that brought the universe into being also expresses God's love and will to Adam and Eve and their descendants (Ps. 33:11).  Obedience to this Word would keep them in the sphere of God's fellowship and approval.  All God's commands are good commands and bring good things to those who obey them (Ps. 119:39; Prov. 6:20-23):

"And His commands are not burdensome" (1 John 5:3).

God placed two special trees in the middle of the Garden: the Tree of Life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Gen. 2:9, 17; 3:3, 22, 24).  Eating from the tree of life would confer immortality (v22).  Eating from the second tree would confer an experiential knowledge of good and evil, but it would also bring death (2:17).  Since they had never experienced evil, Adam and Eve were like innocent children (Deut. 1:39; Isa. 7:15-16) but, when they disobeyed God, they became like Him in that they were now able to discriminate between good and evil while now being under the curse of sin which meant their every tendency was to sin (Romans 3:23):

'21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for
all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. 27 Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. 28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

Their disobedience caused them to lose their sinlessness and caused them to eventually die.  God's will was for us to love and obey Him freely and willingly and He chose not to create us like programmed robots who had to obey.  God's Sovereign choice was to create Adam and Eve in His own image and give them the privilege of choice as the way He ordained for them to learn about freedom and obedience.  We also learn from His unique Word, preserved in the Bible alone, that one of His basic truths of life is that obedience brings blessing and disobedience brings judgment.

The curse that came on man as a result of Adam's disobedience (wrought at the instigation of Eve) includes not only physical labour and toil on a barren and thorny earth, and the physical dissolution of the body, but also the exposure of the soul, the nobler part, to "everlasting death." 

It is clear that Adam and Eve's sin had lasting consequences for humanity for, as a result, they lost their innocence and the close fellowship they enjoyed with God in the garden (Surah 2:31-33). Muslims acknowledge that God responded to sin by ordering both Adam and Eve to descend "Ahbituu" from the garden (Surah 2:36). Thus, the personal relationship between man and God was severed, and according to both the Qur'an and Ahadith, the command to depart from the garden (Surah 2:38) was intended to cover all humankind.

In that very day man lost the moral image of his Maker, Almighty God, and become subject not only to physical death, but also to God's eternal wrath and curse, which is death in the highest sense of the word, and is the doom which has fallen upon all his race.  Such is the view revealed in contrasting the death introduced into the world through Adam, with the life which was procured for our race through the Lord Jesus Christ, as spelt out clearly in Romans 5:1-21:

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Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.  3 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;  4 and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; 5 and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us. 6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.  7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. 12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned - 13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many. 16 The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification. 17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. 18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. 19 For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. 20 The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The concept of the inheritance of the original sin is obviously present in the
Hadith in which Adam explicitly bears responsibility for humanity's exile from paradise:
 
"Allah's apostle [Muhammad] said, 'Adam and Moses met, and Moses said to Adam, "You are the one who made people miserable and turned them out of Paradise."'" (Hadith, Bukhari, vol. 6, book 65, no. 4736).

This clearly teaches that the human race somehow shares in Adam's exile.

If the consequence of Adam's sin was death, and we are morally capable of living the perfect moral life as Islam claims, why do we find ourselves (as Adam's offspring) suffering the same punishment of death when we did not commit Adam's sin?  We are therefore faced with one of two conclusions:

1.    Adam represented his descendants, in which case receiving a part of the punishment as one of those descendants is fair and just;

or

2.   Adam did not represent his descendants, in which case the infliction of punishment for sin on those who had no part in his fall is clearly unjust!

If we had nothing to do with Adam's sin, then why should we share the consequence of his sin? Why weren't we born in paradise? If we were born perfect (as Muslims believe) then, surely, God should have created us in paradise (as He did with Adam) and waited to see if we would disobey like Adam and Eve did.

The truth is clearly that, as a result of what happened in the Garden of Eden, all of us are born with an insurmountable gap between us and God.  We have all inherited Adam's sin and that is why we were not born in paradise. The prophet David knew this and was inspired to write:

"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me" (Psalm 51:5).

Despite the claims of Muslims, we all know about the very early disobedience of children.  Nobody has to teach them how to be naughty, or to disobey. Most genuine Christians have brought up their children carefully to follow Biblical principles but still witnessed them being disobedient, even when they know they have always taught them good behaviour and they have never been taught 'naughtiness' by anyone!  We have also seen the same 'naughty' behaviour, and worse, by Muslim children.  In case you are as ignorant as many other Muslims in the UK, you may have witnessed seriously sinful behaviour by many people in this country.  Some of those sinners may even have claimed they were Christians.  Evil crimes are committed worldwide by people of every religion and background.  Why?  Because we all have the same nature! It is in us from birth. What the prophet David said is clearly and absolutely true - we are born in iniquity, and in sin our mothers conceived us!

God is holy and we are sinful, so we are cut off from Him and only He could build a way back to Him in Paradise.  This He did by sending His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, as the Perfect Second Adam to reconcile us to Him.  Before God sent Jesus to save us the prophet Isaiah wrote:

"Your iniquities have separated you from your God, and your sins have hidden His face from you." (Isaiah 59:2)

We are entirely due the same punishment as Adam because we are just as disobedient and fallen as he was!

The issue of whether people are born in a pure state or in sin is a defining difference between Christianity and Islam.  Christians believe that people are born in a sinful state and that they require a Saviour, whereas Muslims believe that people are born in a pure state [
fitrah] and that they are able to attain moral purity by their own merits.

So, are people born in
fitrah (a pure state - the Islamic view) or in sin (hampered by the results of Adam's sin, also called original sin - which is the Christian view)?  The Qur'an recounts a version of the Biblical record concerning the events in the Garden of Eden and tells us that Satan tempted Adam and Eve (Surah 2:36) and caused their shame to be exposed (Surah 7:27). They were subsequently expelled from the garden because of their sin (Surah 2:38). Thus, by deduction, the Qur'an admits that by disobeying God, Adam and Eve not only affected their own destinies by being expelled from the garden, but they also affected the destinies of their progeny, the human race. Despite these overwhelming evidences, Muslims do not entertain the doctrine of "original sin."

Although Adam was purged from the garden of bliss for his sin Muslims believe Adam's sin affected him and him alone - a Qur'anic view that claims man is born in a pure state until he commits a guilty deed - very different from the Biblical view.  In accepting such errors Muslims forget that Muhammad initially appealed to 'the people of the Book' because he thought Christians and Jews would accept him as a prophet and therefore accept his Qur'an.  This was never going to happen because Muhammad is easily recognised as a false prophet from the tests in 'the Book'- and 'his' Qur'an is equally easily recognised as 'another gospel' bringing 'another Jesus' (ref. Acts 17:11; Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Corinthians 11:4) who is clearly a false Jesus!

Muslims believe that people are born in a pure state [
fitrah], but that very belief appears clearly at odds with the Qur'an which recognizes that sin is an integral part of human nature and that all humans are captive to its power: "And I call not myself sinless; surely [man's] self is wont to command evil, except those on whom my Lord has mercy" (Surah 12:53).  If people are captive to sin in this way, doesn't that mean that sin is an integral part of the human nature?

But, as we have seen, the Muslim view raises many questions, e.g.:  if Adam did not lose his innocence in the garden, and if man was indeed born in fitrah (a pure state), then why aren't Adam's descendants still being born in the garden until they commit a guilty deed?

Concerning Surah 12:53, Muslim theologian and author of major works on Islam, Maulana Muhammad Ali, comments that the righteous never attribute any good to themselves, but they attribute all good to God who is the great source of goodness.  But this does not alter the clear fact that man is created and is not divine and is therefore capable of sinning repeatedly - as this Surah 12:53 declares.  Ali's analysis of the above verse (12:53), discusses three stages in spiritual development, according to the Qur'an:

Ammarah (Surah 12:53), which Ali equates to the lowest stage in human spiritual development, is synonymous with the animal self when people submit to their carnal desires like brute beasts.
Lawwamah (Surah 75:2), which Ali refers to as the self-accusing spirit, is the narrowest departure from the narrow path that is like a cramp in one's conscience.
Mutma'inaah (Surah 89:30a), which Ali terms as the stage of perfection, is the stage when the soul is at rest in perfect peace, having attained the goal of perfection.

Ali concluded his analysis as follows: "Those who have attained the second stage in spiritual advancement and those who have attained the goal of perfection are spoken of as those on whom my Lord has mercy."

It's troubling, however, to attempt to reconcile the Muslim's blind belief in
fitrah with the above view of the spiritual enlightenment ladder.  We can testify that we have never met a Muslim who ever attempted to describe the teachings of the Qur'an in the terms Ali uses!

Isn't it a clear contradiction in terms to state we are born perfect [
fitrah] while we are born imperfect [Ammarah]? In other words, if we are born in fitrah (a pure state), then how can we also be enslaved and predisposed to sin by submitting to our carnal desires like brute beasts?

How can we achieve perfection [
mutma'inaah] and become godlike when only God is perfect?  The Christian view is that it is blasphemous to claim that we can become like God because this is the lie by which Adam and Eve were deceived by Satan who claimed (Genesis 3:5):

' ... for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and
ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil'.

If we have all sinned as the Qur'an admits (Surah 16:61; 12:53), then how can we believe Islamic claims that we can achieve perfection - unless it is by 'watering down' the standards of perfection?  And, surely,  if you dilute perfection don't you also dilute the holiness of God?

If children are born pure and are subsequently corrupted by their environments as Muslims claim, then wouldn't that imply that they are born into
mutma'inaah (perfection) and then degrade into ammarah (animal self) instead of the other way around?

Since the Qur'an does not offer the assurance of salvation to anyone (except those who die in the cause of
jihad - interpreted equally randomly by Sunni and Shi) then what good is the stage of perfection [mutma'inaah] if it cannot guarantee salvation?

Al Bukhari reported in the Hadith that the prophet Muhammad used to ask for forgiveness of his sins seventy times a day.  Why would he do that if, as Muslims claim, he was "the perfect example to humanity," having no sin [mutma'inaah]?  Was Islam's prophet really not in mutma'inaah (perfection stage)?  But if even Islam's prophet, who is purported to be the model of purity for Muslims, was not in the stage of perfection [mutma'inaah], then what hope do other Muslims have in achieving the stage of perfection?

In a recent conversation with a Muslim, Ibrahim Abdullah Payne, in Cardiff we encountered this familiar Islamic attitude to sin.  Regarding the Biblical truth (Romans 3:23) 'all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God' he denied that '
Children are born in Sin' - just as you are doing!  When we questioned him on the age he might consider children were capable of sinning ('since, for example, the Mormon cult teaches that children are capable of telling right from wrong at eight years of age') he went on to assert that he did not believe children this young could know such things and, further, declared that you would have to be, at least, in your late teenage years.  Can you think of a reason why this issue is a severe and unavoidable problem for every Muslim? 

Aisha was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad!  Traditional sources state that she stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine when the marriage was consummated with Muhammad, then 53, in Medina.  Only al-Tabari records that she was ten - and Muhammad was certainly old enough to recognise his sin in this matter!

(ref. Watt, "Aisha bint Abu Bakr",
Encyclopaedia of Islam Online;  Al-Shati, Bint (December 2006), The wives of the Prophet, Matti Moosa (trans.), D. Nicholas Ranson, Gorgias Press LLC. p 52, ISBN  978-1-59333-398-0; Vacca, V. (1995), Sawda BT., Zam'a B. Kayyis B. Abd Shams, Encyclopaedia of Islam (2nd ed.). Brill Academic Publishers. p89-90. ISBN 90-04-10422-4;  Wessels, Antonie (1972), A modern Arabic biography of Muhammad: a critical study of Muhammad Husayn Haykal's Hayat Muhammad. Brill Archive. p105-6. ISBN 978-90-04-03415-0;  D. A. Spellberg, Politics, Gender, and the Islamic Past: the Legacy of A'isha bint Abi Bakr, Columbia University Press, 1994, p40;  Karen Armstrong, Muhammad: A Biography of the Prophet, Harper San Francisco, 1992, p157; Barlas (2002), p125-126; Sahih al-Bukhari, 5:58:234, 5:58:236, 7:62:64, 7:62:65, 7:62:88, Sahih Muslim, 8:3309, 8:3310, 8:3311, 41:4915, Sunan Abu Dawood, 41:4917; Tabari, Volume 9, p131; Tabari, Volume 7, p7)

So, by the overwhelming testimony of scholars, the so-called prophet of Islam, Muhammad, took the virginity of a nine year old girl when he was 53 years of age!

Apparently 5,000 ignorant and unstable members of the United Kingdom become Muslims every year and approve of behaviour that is illegal in this country and all the civilized nations of the world!

Have you heard of Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris - even the vilest sinners in our jails will believe they are not worse than these kind of men?!


We have clearly shown that Muhammad was a sinner who was incapable of leading even a reasonably moral life - he was a thief, murderer, adulterer, paedophile - and a false prophet deserving of Eternity in Hell!


The Islamic view of 'Salvation'?


Having dealt with the sadly defective view of sin in the Islamic world let us look at your view of 'salvation'.

For many in the Islamic world, the essence of the Qur'an's view of salvation can be summed up in its teaching about the scales:

Sura 21:47: 'And We set up a just balance [scales] for the Day of Resurrection. Thus, no soul will be treated unjustly. Even though it be the weight of a mustard seed, We shall bring it forth to be weighed; and Our reckoning will suffice'.

The Qur'an is filled with references to the Day of Judgment, a day of great fear and trembling - a day to dread for Muslims. 
Even those who cling to the added hadith that claims Muhammad's 'intercession' (because Muslims obviously became aware of the superior claims of the Lord Jesus Christ and desperately struggled to find a way to make their 'prophet' His equal) have no real faith in this sad 'hope'.  According to Muslims the scales will be brought forth to weigh the good and the bad, and each person will be treated with absolute justice (Sura 23:99-104):

'Until when death comes to one of them he says: "My Lord, send me back! That I may do the good works I had left undone."  It is but a word he speaks. And behind them is a barrier till the day they will be raised. But when the Horn is blown, there shall be no kinship among them on that day, nor will they ask of one another. Then those whose scales are heavy, they are the successful. And those whose scales are light have lost themselves, they shall abide in hell forever. The fire shall scorch their faces, and they are sullen therein'.

The Qur'an likewise joins together faith in Allah, the Book (Qur'an), and the scales (the judgment) as vitally important (Sura 42:16-18):

'And those who argue concerning Allah after He has been answered, their argument is null with their Lord, and wrath will fall upon them. Theirs is a severe torment. It is Allah Who has sent down the Book with truth and the scales; and how do you know? The hour may be near. Those who do not believe in it seek to hasten it, but those who believe dread it and know that it is the truth. Indeed, those who dispute concerning the Hour have gone far astray'.

The concept of scales and hence the metaphor of judgment is central to Surah 101 - "The Calamity":

'The Calamity! What is the Calamity? And how will you know what the Calamity is? A day when people will become like scattered moths, And the mountains will become like carded wool. Then, as for him whose scales are heavy [with good deeds], He will be in a pleasing life. But as for him whose scales are light, The bottomless pit will be his home. How will you know what it is? A raging fire'.

Even when the specific metaphor of scales is not present, one thing is certain:  The Qur'an foretells a day of judgment (Sura 99:6-8):

'That day mankind will come forth in scattered groups to be shown their deeds. And he who has done an atom's weight of good will see it, and he who has done an atom's weight of evil will see it'.

For many Muslims, this is sufficient.  Good works, faith in Allah and the Qur'an - this is the essence of submission and salvation.  Seek to make your scales heavy with good deeds and avoid the bottomless pit filled with raging fire. They see no reason to speculate on pre-destination or free will or any of the myriad other things that can only complicate the situation. The problem, though, is that the Qur'an says more on the topic. And, unlike the New Testament's extended clarifying portions that lay out doctrines such as justification and atonement, the Qur'an's presentation of salvation is scattered and "in passing."  Unlike its constant drumbeats of monotheism and the dangers of shirk, for instance, when it comes to salvation itself and how a person can live in proper relationship with God, the picture presented is far less coherent. As a result, the wide range of views that Muslims express are based not so much on intricate discussions of the text itself as on the school of interpretation of the hadith one chooses to believe in.

Does the Qur'an present a single, coherent view of salvation?  Is the doctrine of salvation distinguishable from proper worship, the embracing of tawhid, and the rejection of shirk - i.e., submission to Allah.

The Qur'anic and Biblical world-views may seem to share certain foundational assumptions, but they are worlds apart regarding other defining beliefs.  The transcendence of Allah, especially as put in direct opposition to the incarnation of Jesus and the intimacy of the gospel, creates a stark contrast as to the respective meanings of "salvation."  The Triune God of the Christian faith reveals Himself with greatest clarity and force in the gospel (the Father decreeing, the Son accomplishing, the Spirit applying) while maintaining the strictest unity (the Son does nothing by Himself, the Spirit is sent by the Father and the Son), so it can be said that His self-revelation is accomplished through the uniting of a particular undeserving people in grace to Him through the gospel.  Hence salvation, central to His purpose in creation itself, is a focus of the Biblical revelation.  In contrast, Allah is not engaged in self-revelation or self-glorification in the matter of human salvation, and there is no gospel that gives a singular coherence to the Islamic perspective.  The Qur'an does give evidence of a concept of salvation by God's mercy and grace. Hundreds of times - in nearly every Sura - we are told that Allah is the oft-forgiving, the merciful One. Sura 24:21 declares:

'O you who believe! Follow not the steps of the Devil, for whosoever will follow the steps of the Devil, surely he will enjoin on him what is indecent and blameworthy. Had it not been for Allah's grace and His mercy to you none of you would have ever been purified. But Allah causes whom He will to be purified. And Allah is Hearer, Knowing'.

This seems to indicate that grace and mercy precede any good works, which finds support in the
hadith literature as well:

Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The good deeds of any person will not make him enter Paradise" (i.e., none can enter Paradise through his good deeds). They (the Prophet's companions) said, "Not even you, O Allah's Apostle?" He said, "Not even myself, unless Allah bestows His favor and mercy on me."  So be moderate in your religious deeds and do the deeds that are within your ability: and none of you should wish for death, for if he is a good doer, he may increase his good deeds, and if he is an evil doer, he may repent to Allah.

Narrated Aisha:  The Prophet said, "Do good deeds properly, sincerely and moderately, and receive good news because one's good deeds will not make him enter Paradise." They asked, "Even you, O Allah's Apostle?" He said, "Even I, unless and until Allah bestows His pardon and Mercy on me."

Muslims in general quote particular Qur'anic texts, but fit them into a traditional position derived primarily from external (often
hadith) sources.  More liberally minded Muslims often cite texts like Sura 2:62:

'Those who believe [in the Qur'an], the Jews, the Christians, and the Sabaeans; whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does what is right; shall be rewarded by their Lord; no fear shall come upon them, neither shall they grieve'.


Some would read this as indicating a general benevolence of Allah toward all who believe (the phrase "in the Qur'an" being supplied by our translation). 
More conservative Muslims would limit it to those Jews, Christians, etc., who embrace Islam, leaving those who remain faithful to their traditions under Allah's judgment.  This would seem to be a more consistent reading, in light of the rest of the Qur'an's teachings. Note that the Qur'an speaks of the necessity of faith in Allah (Sura 2:186):

'When My servants question you about Me, [tell them] I am near, answering the prayer of the suppliant when he prays to Me; therefore let them respond to Me and believe in Me, that they may be rightly-guided'.


But even here it speaks of believing in Allah so that one may be "rightly guided," not forgiven, redeemed, and adopted into God's family as the Lord Jesus Christ has done for all Christians.  If being "rightly guided" is key to the Muslims understanding of the goal of life from the Qur'an's view we must ask how any can be sure of their salvation when there are so many disparate views and all entail constant killing of other Muslims (and relatively few infidels) who also remain unsure of whether they are doing Allah's bidding or not!

The God of the Bible revealed through the Old Testament Law that man is incapable of keeping Laws and commandments.  This is precisely why God promised them a Saviour who would be a Sinless and Perfect Sacrifice for the sins of all mankind.

But Islam did not learn from the past, but plagiarized the Jewish legalistic system that was, as Galatians 3:24 reveals:

'... (the law was) our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be
justified by faith'.

Contrast this with the Biblical view of one's moral state. The Bible speaks of three stages in this spiritual journey:

Generation (creation) - which begins with Adam and Eve when they had fellowship with God in the garden. They had not yet sinned against Almighty God and had not been separated from Him (Gen. 2:15, 16).

Degeneration - when Adam and Eve sinned against Almighty God.  As a result, they were separated from God and expelled from the garden (Gen. 3:23). They died spiritually and began to die physically.  Hence, the aging process began (Gen. 2:19).

Regeneration or the new birth - when people receive new life and become spiritually alive again. Jesus told Nicodemus, "Unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God" (John 3:3). As one in faith accepts Christ's sacrifice on the cross as an atonement for degeneration, that person is born again spiritually and can now choose to control their sinful nature inherited from Adam.  They are, as 2 Corinthians 5:17 makes clear:

'Therefore
if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new'.

Muslims clearly fail to read the Bible for, if they did, they would recognise that Almighty God declared - in Genesis 6:5:

'And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually'.

If you knew anything of the true, historical, Biblical Noah (read the following passages: Genesis 6:6 to 8:22) you would know that God then flooded the earth to destroy those who sinned so continuously and, note carefully, that Genesis 6:8 testifies:

'But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD'

Thus only a small remnant were saved through the Ark!


The New Testament puts this saving act of God into the context of the New Covenant in Christ at 1 Peter 3:18-22:

'18
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;  19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, 20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.  21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you - not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience - through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him'.

Some people mistakenly believe 'baptism in water' saves Christians, but the Bible never teaches this and, if it were true, the 'thief on the cross' (Luke 23:43) could not have been saved because he died after he accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour with these words:

'42  And he (the thief!) was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!"

'43 And He (Jesus!) said to him, "Truly I say to you,
today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

That very moment he believed in Jesus He was saved and certain of Paradise!  No good works or deeds or rituals of any kind were necessary - just faith in the Lord Jesus Christ! (See expansive conclusion at bottom of reply).

No other religion in the world offers this salvation or anything comparable to it!

So who, in their right mind, would ever be anything but a Christian!

And the only thing Islam has to offer is 'kill the infidels in jihad' to go to Paradise!

The God of the Bible sent His Son (and, remember, the Son is equal to the Father!) to die for all mankind while the 'god' of Islam wants you to send your son(s) to die for him!


The Bible teaches clearly that no one can ever bear the load of moral perfection themselves.  The Old Testament record reveals how even the most religious people tried to carry that load by striving to keep 'the Law' - but failed miserably.  This is why the Triune God (three persons in one Godhead) promised them a Saviour who would be Perfect Man and Perfect God and thus able to bear the sins of the whole of Creation.  Only an understanding of the truth of the Bible teaching regarding the One True God will lead to an understanding of how Salvation was brought about (Deuteronomy 6:4):

'Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD'

The literal Hebrew reads:  Hear (shama`), O Israel (Yisra'el): The LORD (Yehovah) our God ('elohiym) is one ('echad) LORD (Jehovah).

Since 'elohiym is in the plural the verse literally reads:  'Hear, O Israel: our
Gods is One God'!

For a full explanation of the Triune God - and refutation of the false views of the Jehovah's Witnesses (which Islamic 'apologists' such as Ahmed Deedat have attempted to use against the One True God) - see
this page!

This life is spiritual and death, in its highest sense, is also spiritual. So far as the penalty is temporal and physical, no man is or can be exempt from it; but to remove the spiritual and eternal punishment, Christ has died; and he who comes to Him in penitence and faith will avoid the threatened death, and enter into life eternal, both of the body and the soul.

The Redeemer - the Lord Jesus Christ - is called "the second Adam" (ref. 1 Corinthians 15:45) because He is the head of a 'born again' spiritual seed, and the source of righteousness and life to all believers, as the first Adam was the sorrow of sin and death to all
his seed.

You write:  Isaiah 29:12.  Talks of Holy Prophet being a Prophet who never was at School & He was educated by ALMIGHTY ALLAH HIMSELF"

TCE:  It is clear that you have no understanding of true Scripture.  Isaiah was prophesying here of the end times when Jerusalem would be attacked by the armies of the world (vv. 7-8; cf. Zech. 14:1-3). This will be at "the battle of Armageddon," though that title is not used in Scripture (Rev. 14:14-20; 16:13-21).  When it looks as though the city is about to fall, and the enemy armies are confident they will be victorious, the Lord Jesus Christ will return and deliver His people (19:11-21). The enemy victory will vanish.  The people of Jerusalem were ignorant of what was going on because, like you, their hearts were far from God (Isa. 29:13). They went through the outward forms of worship and faithfully kept the annual feasts (v. 1; 1:10ff), but it was not a true worship of God (Matt. 15:1-9). Going to the temple was the popular thing to do, but most of the people did not take their worship seriously. Therefore, God sent a "spiritual blindness" and stupor on His people so that they could not understand their own Law. Such blindness persists today (Rom. 11:8; 2 Cor. 3:13-18). If people will not accept the truth, then they must become more and more blind and accept lies (cf. John 9:39-41 and 2 Thess. 2:1-12).  To summarise: 'and the book is delivered ...' translates to the fact that they were just as ignorant of the true nature and meaning of the revelations of God as a man is of the contents of a book when he is utterly unable to read.

Trying to take verses of Scripture without understanding the text or context will leave you stumbling in the dark, as you have done with the following verses:

Mathew 4:10: " Worship the LORD your GOD and serve HIM only"
Exodus 20:3-6" Forbids not to make an Image of GOD and to serve not Holy Prophet Jesus but ALMIGHTY GOD alone"


The Lord Jesus Christ came to earth in human form (Philippians 2:5-11):

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who,
being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

This passage from the Bible shows clearly that Jesus is God and 'humbled Himself' to become the 'Suffering Servant' who chose to go to 'the death of the cross'.  As a result God (the Father, the Son - and God the Holy Spirit) exalted Jesus so that He was '
given Him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father'.

Note that John 17:1-5 tells us:

'These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said,
Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.  And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.  And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.'

We know from Isaiah 42:8 that God declared in the Old Testament:

'I am the LORD: that is my name: and
my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images'.
So Jesus clearly claimed to be God in two places in this passage from John - otherwise He could not declare that His Father in heaven (since He had humbled Himself and taken on the form of a man) should '
glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son also may glorify Thee ... And now, O Father, glorify Thou Me with Thine own Self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.'  How could Jesus share 'glory' with the Father 'before the world was' - and again now in bringing 'eternal life to as many as thou [God the Father] hast given him' unless He was equally God!

The ignorant will try and clutch at this phrase (and others like it):

'
this is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent'

thinking that, since Jesus calls the Father '
the only true God ', that must prevent Him from being 'the true God' Himself.

But they forget the passages that show that Jesus lowered Himself in coming to earth as 'Son of Man' AND 'Son of God' and the way passages, such as Hebrews 1:1-13, reveals this truth:

'1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.  3 And
He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.  5 For to which of the angels did He ever say, "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You"?  And again, "I will be a Father to Him And He shall be a Son to Me"? 6 And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, "And let all the angels of God worship Him."  7 And of the angels He says, "Who makes His angels winds, And His ministers a flame of fire." 8 But of the Son He says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the sceptre of His kingdom.  9 "You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness above Your companions." 10 And, "You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Your hands; 11 They will perish, but You remain; And they all will become old like a garment, 12 And like a mantle You will roll them up; Like a garment they will also be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not come to an end." 13 But to which of the angels has He ever said, "Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet"? 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?'

This passage gives a mass of evidence to the total Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ who not only created ALL things, but also receives WORSHIP from angels!

What could be clearer - especially when God says:

'...
unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows ... '

Jesus was for a little while lower than the angels only in His human form as 'the Second Adam' who went to the cross 'for the suffering of death' but, as Hebrews 2:5-18 reveals, He was always fully God:

'For unto the angels hath He not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; Thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of Thy hands: Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became Him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both He that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause He is not ashamed to call them brethren, Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. And again, I will put my trust in Him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily He took not on Him the nature of angels; but He took on Him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved Him to be made like unto His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself hath suffered being tempted, He is able to succour them that are tempted'.

Jesus' humanity enabled Him to regain man's lost dominion (vv. 5-9) and the passage quotes from Psalm 8:4-6 - when God created the first man and woman, He gave them dominion over His Creation (Gen. 1:26-31) and, in this Psalm, David marvelled that God would share His power and glory with feeble man! Man was created "a little lower than the angels" (and therefore inferior to them), but man was given privileges far higher than the angels. God never promised the angels that they would reign in "the world to come" (Heb. 2:5).  But we have a serious problem here, for it is obvious that man today is not exercising dominion over creation.  Certainly man cannot control the fish, fowl, or animals.
In fact, despite the hopeful claims of Muslims who refuse to see the vile behaviour of jihadists for what it is, man has a hard time controlling himself!  Thus we read:  "But now we see not yet all things put under him" (Heb. 2:8). "But we see Jesus!" (Heb. 2:9) He is God's answer to man's dilemma. Jesus Christ became man that He might suffer and die for man's sin and restore the dominion that was lost because of sin.  When our Lord was here on earth, He exercised that lost dominion.  He had dominion over the fish (see Matt. 17:24-27; Luke 5:1-11; John 21:1-11), over the fowl (Luke 22:34, 60), and over the wild beasts (Mark 1:12-13), and the domesticated beasts (Mark 11:1-7). As the last Adam (1 Cor. 15:45), Jesus Christ regained man's lost dominion.  Today, everything is under His feet (Eph. 1:20-23). Man was "crowned . . . with glory and honour" (Heb. 2:7), but he lost his crown and became the slave of sin.  Jesus Christ has regained that "glory and honour" (Heb. 2:9), and believers today share His kingly dominion (Rev. 1:5-6). One day, when He establishes His kingdom, we shall reign with Him in glory and honour. Jesus Christ did all of this for us - for lost sinners - because of "the grace of God" (Heb. 2:9).  If He had not become man, He could not have died and "taste[d] death [experienced death] for every man" (Heb. 2:9).  In this comparison, while it is true that angels cannot die, it is also true that angels cannot save lost sinners and restore man's lost dominion.

(Continued on page 424)

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TCE:  If the consequence of Adam's sin was death, and we are morally capable of living the perfect moral life as Islam claims, why do we find ourselves (as Adam's offspring) suffering the same punishment of death when we did not commit Adam's sin? 

TCE:  So, are people born in fitrah (a pure state - the Islamic view) or in sin (hampered by the results of Adam's sin, also called original sin - which is the Christian view)?  The Qur'an recounts a version of the Biblical record concerning the events in the Garden of Eden and tells us that Satan tempted Adam and Eve (Surah 2:36) and caused their shame to be exposed (Surah 7:27). They were subsequently expelled from the garden because of their sin (Surah 2:38). Thus, by deduction, the Qur'an admits that by disobeying God, Adam and Eve not only affected their own destinies by being expelled from the garden, but they also affected the destinies of their progeny, the human race. Despite these overwhelming evidences, Muslims do not entertain the doctrine of "original sin."

TCE:  Al Bukhari reported in the Hadith that the prophet Muhammad used to ask for forgiveness of his sins seventy times a day.  Why would he do that if, as Muslims claim, he was "the perfect example to humanity," having no sin [mutma'inaah]?  Was Islam's prophet really not in mutma'inaah (perfection stage)?  But if even Islam's prophet, who is purported to be the model of purity for Muslims, was not in the stage of perfection [mutma'inaah], then what hope do other Muslims have in achieving the stage of perfection?

TCE:  Does the Qur'an present a single, coherent view of salvation?  Is the doctrine of salvation distinguishable from proper worship, the embracing of tawhid, and the rejection of shirk - i.e., submission to Allah.

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