'Replies from Word-Faith'

Rick O'Rourke - 24

6th December, 2015

Received: 6th December 2015
From: Rick O'Rourke
Subject: Word of Faith in the church I've attended

Hello

I have been attending an Evangelical Church for the last 14 years in Grandville, Michigan.

Due to a few events beginning last year, my wife and I no longer attend this church at this time and tune into Charles Stanley on television.

But since we stopped going to this Mega Church, I feel the Holy Spirit is opening my eyes to this church and the speakers they have brought in and still are bringing in.

Some of these are considered Word Faith teachers such as Marilyn Hickey, Joyce Meyer and Jesse Duplantis among others.

They have let in bands such as Jesus Culture (house band of Bethel Church in California).

The pastor promotes books from the likes of TD Jakes and Derek Prince.

They also follow Rick Warrens books and have had small groups study these books and also follow his Daniel Fast at the beginning of every year.

I also have trouble with the photos sent weekly from the wife of the head pastor (who is also a pastor) of them having fun on their fancy (expensive) boat and mentioning being up at the cabin. I have seen some pictures they actually sent her on a ladder checking the roof for storm damage on their "cabin" and from the photo it looked like a a three story mansion. (They happen to live about a block in a half in their other manison which I've had a hard time swallowing that they live like that). Plus it is on one of the most expensive lakes in Michigan and own several acres of lakefront.

One of the problems I have is my wife would like to go back to this church on a regular basis and I do not.

I am to the point of not wanting to set foot back into this church.

One blessing that has occurred is my son plays drums in a local (small) bible church and the pastor there is excellent...none of this "sow a seed and God will open up the windows of heaven and pour you out a blessing" unlike the mega church we went to which repeats this weekly just before passing the buckets.

This small church does not even ask for tithes but that makes me want to tithe to them even more.

My wife and her good friend who also attends this mega church love Joyce Meyer and Marilyn Hickey and the other prosperity preachers and I have been talking to my wife about them but with the response of why am I so negative and talking down Godly preachers. I mentioned to my wife this morning that "name it claim it" is not Biblical and  she doesn't seem to want to hear it.

So that is my current situation and just need some outside assurance that I am on the right track here.

I desire the truth and want to weed out these false teachers from my life and the lives of those I love and care about and even those strangers who are blindly following.

Thank you for all you do.  This is a big mission we have.

God Bless.

Rick O'Rourke

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TCE replies: 19th December 2015

Dear  Rick

sadly you have attended a church that has at least become compliant to the Word-Faith cult who are infamous for blatant heresies and blasphemies against God.

It is a hard thing to persuade women that they are truly blessed in gaining wonderful spiritual gifts from the Holy Spirit - often more than equally devout men - because of their more sensitive and submissive spirit!


You have also recognised the immense problem caused by these deceiving wolves in sheep's clothing who seem to have influenced your wife and her friend far more through their demonic doctrines.  It is a hard thing to persuade women that they are truly blessed in gaining wonderful spiritual gifts from the Holy Spirit - often more than equally devout men - because of their more sensitive and submissive spirit.

But, just as Satan got to Adam through Eve, women are often more easily deceived than men and less easily persuaded to put the Word of God before apparently marvellous spiritual experiences - which 'Word-Faith' teachers promise but, of course, never deliver.  As you have found, the promises of wealth are all one way and the sheep are relentlessly fleeced by these despicable deceivers.

As with the influence of all the cults it will take a lot of gentle, yet firm, prayerful teaching, while thoroughly exhibiting the indwelling spirit:

Gal5v22-23 - 'the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.' 

There are many pitfalls and 'obvious' mistakes to avoid, as well as 'must do' actions (the following apply when trying to escape from any cult):

1.  virulent opposition - even calling these deceivers 'cultists' etc. will inflame people who have accepted the teaching of the cult leader(s);
2.  study carefully to know the arguments that expose these deceivers;
3.  few people readily admit that they have made a mistake, or been deceived, but many have left the Word-Faith cult so, gently, try to persuade your wife that there is another side of the story - facts that might have affected her choice of church had she known about them;
4.  see if you can convince her to make a thorough investigation of the issues with you in a joint research project that must be approached prayerfully (praying together is vital in a marriage anyway - it is very hard to be angry with someone who has just prayed to Jesus with you!);
5.  obviously you must both agree that the Bible is the final authority in all matters of doctrine and every fact that influences doctrinal & spiritual issues must be tested against Scripture (ref.  1 Thess.  5v19-22; 2 Timothy 3v16; Acts 17v11);
6.  if possible get her to read any good available material, e.g.
Tricia Tillin's testimony;
7.  It is obviously important to both of you to remove this stumbling block to the spiritual life in your marriage and it would be better to examine all of the facts and unique doctrines of this group now, rather than spend any part of your life following false teachers and their beliefs (make sure you don't mention this in an accusatory fashion - we are all capable of being deceived - ref.  Gal. 2 - but it is how we deal with it that determines whether our life turns towards the best God has for us, or some damaged ministry that men like Samson veered towards through fellowshipping with pagans);
8.  Always keep open the lines of communication and keep reaffirming your love and personal devotion to the truth (it is awful to witness the way the enemy can be allowed to drive wedges between married Christian couples);
9.  All of these good actions may start to bear fruit - but this may take considerable time because of the lengthy involvement with this group;
10.  Beware the opposition of other Word-Faith believers in fellowships who may try to stop such examination or study - the accusation of being 'nay sayers' or an 'accuser of the brethren' is a common cultic ploy they use to separate themselves from you to avoid discussing the truth;
11.  The need to be well prepared before raising strong objections cannot be overemphasised since, if points you raise are weak or poorly presented, and your wife becomes convinced that 'Word-Faith' can answer your objections, she may become convinced that you have 'struck out.'  Unless some powerful evidence against 'Word Faith' is brought into play at the outset the discussion might appear over, at least temporarily;
12. Unsupported, non-factual accusations will do a lot more harm than good - it is very important to have all your arguments correct and fully documented the first time around; otherwise, there may not be a second chance (particularly true if discussing issues such as Benny Hinn's appalling 'miracle healings' - careful research may still discover the VHS-tape, or equivalents, that circulated some years ago and revealed the number of people who died as a result of believing they had been healed at his 'healing ministry'
(two tapes - 'The Signs and Wonders Movement - Exposed' by Mark Haville through National Prayer Network & 'The False Anointing' by Joseph R. Chambers through Paw Creek Ministries were two that circulated some years ago);
13. 'Bouncing' Bible verses bounce back and forth, perhaps for hours on end, often yields no tangible results unless the point you hope to make is reached clearly without going off the subject (false teaching commonly leads to attempts to side-step answering the question!);
14. The above approach also often fails because it is based upon a wrong assumption - that 'Word Faith' adherents believe certain things because they appear in the Bible, and that they will change their beliefs if shown verses as proof-texts for a different doctrinal stance; like all deceived people they base their beliefs, not on what they find in the Bible, but on emotion and what their leaders tell them the Bible says;
15.
A very early step is to examine the 'prophetic' and 'healing' record of the leaders;  to demonstrate that leaders such as Hinn have made false prophecies, have preached false doctrine (re. Hinn's book 'Good Morning Holy Spirit' that taught that the 'Trinity' was each a 'trinity' of body, soul, and spirit), plagiarised material (Hagin from Kenyon's work) and have misled followers to their harm, some even dying as a result of following their advice - that is, they are not a reliable guide to follow;
16.  Be careful not to rush, overwhelm, or engulf your wife in one massive deluge of books, tapes, notes, or tracts - an avalanche of such things at once threatens to destroy any believers' faith and structure before the truth has begun to take root and replace the false teachings and ideas;
17. Most people can absorb only so much new information at one time - especially when the data appears not to fit in with, or even to contradict, other data already stored in the brain - time is required to analyze the new information, look at it from all angles, and decide which of the contrary notions ought to be stored for future use and which ought to be discarded;
18.  the temptation is often strong to act quickly and forcefully, pouring out as much evidence as possible hoping some will take root; this may be the best course of action when a loved one is only just beginning to get involved with deceivers & may be just what is needed to scare them off from further involvement; but it is generally an inadvisable course when they are already fully involved and have been for some time - they can be scared off and run back to the comfort of familiar and 'loving' surroundings;
19.  getting someone away from deceivers who have had years to prepare their minds is rarely a quick job, but can take considerable time - planting a few ideas here and there is better than behaving like 'a-bull-at-a-gate' and convincing a loved one that you are being used by Satan (deceivers often use this ultimate accusation to detach their disciple from any true Christian who is trying to share the Biblical Jesus and His gospel);
20.  While the church may not teach the massive heresies ('the little god's concept'), if they are bringing false teaching that emanates from the same deceivers they are still causing considerable damage; some will try to shut us up and claim we should just focus on 'big issues,' but big problems often grow from small ones.
God has instructed us to 'prove all things', to preach with rebuke and reproof, to earnestly contend for the faith.  Without judging and reproof, there is no mechanism of correction and error can grow rapidly.  God's Word tells us that the wounds of a friend are faithful (Prov. 27:6) and Paul was a friend when he rebuked Peter's 'small' hypocrisy (Gal. 2) - and a friend when he reproved the church at Corinth for their errors, including such 'small' things as the sin of misusing the Lord's supper and taking one another to court.  Friends have every Biblical right and responsibility to criticize teachers in error and those accused of being 'judgmental' and 'critical' are the best friends another Christian has - if they are judging Biblically - see our 'Letter 1'
21.  Remember Jesus' advice (Mt 10:16): 'Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves' - and His gentle questioning to cause genuine seekers to come to the truth (e.g. Mt. 16); asking the right questions to enable a loved one to reach the right conclusion in their own mind will have a much more profound effect.  When people doubted that He had the power to forgive sins, He asked, "Which is easier: to say to the paralytic, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up, take your mat and walk'?" (Mark 2:9). When enemies tried to trap Him in the controversy over whether or not to pay taxes to Caesar, He had them produce a coin and then asked, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" (Mark 12:16). Faced with Pharisees who disapproved of His healing on the Sabbath, He asked, "Which of you, having a donkey or an ox that has fallen into a pit, will not immediately pull him out on the Sabbath day?" (Luke 14:5).  In each case the answer that His listeners were forced to come up with in their own minds was powerful and conclusive;
22.  It is obviously important to let the Holy Spirit work and to be supportive while avoiding the tempting 'I-told-you-so' response as the false doctrines begin to unravel;
23. 
While avoiding the worst scenario (which would be to allow these heresies to drive a wedge between you), be careful not to just 'ride out the storm' while ceasing to discuss the issues, otherwise it is inevitable that the source of irritation and tension will remain unresolved;
24.  In worst case scenarios, as with so many problems in a husband-wife relationship, if the door is closed to further discussion the relationship may begin to founder and can end altogether (we have received letters from people who lost their husband or wife because 'they wanted to live with someone who believed the same as they did' - and, in the Jehovah's Witnesses cult, we personally know a husband whose wife made her position clear when he was born again, by throwing his clothes out of the bedroom!);
maintaining love and full communication is vital;

That is probably enough of an outline of the important issues involved.

We have written more about Benny Hinn and other Word Faith deceivers, as well as the Latter-Rain heresy, in other places (see
the start of these e-mails - and please use the Google search box on our home page).


The Biblical ignorance of 'Word-Faith teachers' is matched by many other closely linked heretics - such as T.D. Jakes!

Marilyn Hickey, Joyce Meyer and Jesse Duplantis are classic money-grubbing 'Word-Faith' heretics.  Duplantis rivals Hinn in stupidity and is infamous for describing the God of the Bible as "not knowing" what "He had created" and even claimed that God needed Adam to explain it to Him!  These heretics often come from a very weak foundation in the Word of God and soak up assorted heresies from all manner of books and other sources, including Roman Catholic heresies.

T.D. Jakes is another sad heretic who has problems when questioned about his beliefs on the Trinity.  He has moved away from the Oneness, "Jesus Only" heresy he preached for years to 'sort of' embrace the Trinity as "one God, three Persons" - but he still "prefers" the term "manifestations" and believes that men on both sides of 'the issue' are "saying the same thing" and so he has fellowship with those on all sides.  But, in fact, he is still at least sympathetic to Oneness theology, still defends its unscriptural terminology (by the misuse of 1 Timothy 3:16, for example), still falsely claims that this doctrine is an issue of "seeing through a glass darkly" and thus no one has it right, and refuses to obey the Bible by separating from heretics (he says he is not sure there are any heretics and is far too busy promoting unity to worry much about them, even if they exist)!  He is also careful not to openly declare his position on homosexuality (worried about losing votes some day?), and has even questioned the divine inspiration of Paul's epistles!  It certainly appears as if he hopes to follow in the footsteps of Martin Luther King as a politician because, when questioned by secular or even Christian media, instead of plainly stating what the Bible teaches about homosexuality, he describes his views as "evolved and evolving!"  To justify evolution in doctrinal and moral thinking, he used the example of the apostle Paul's teaching in 1 Corinthians 11, saying, "Paul spends a lot of time wrestling back and forth, trying to understand should a woman wear a head covering, should you cut your hair. I mean, they grappled back then and we're grappling now because we're humans and we are flawed and we're not God" ("T.D. Jakes Comes Out for 'Gay Rights' and 'LGBT Churches,'"
Christian News Network, Aug. 7, 2015).  Paul was certainly not "grappling" with anything that he wrote in 1 Corinthians 11 and true believers recognise that he was writing under divine inspiration and he clearly prefaced the chapter by commending the church for keeping his teaching (1 Cor. 11:1-2).  Paul was human and not God, but he had the infallible Word of God in the canon of Scripture, the Spirit of God as his Interpreter, and he was solemnly commissioned to preach God's Word without question and compromise, in season and out of season (2 Tim. 4:1-2) - something all Christian writers and speakers should seek for.  God has also spoken clearly on the issue of homosexuality.  Men like T.D. Jakes are a real problem because he clearly does not follow the Word of God or fear God:

"Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land. ... But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings" (Jeremiah 23:15, 22).

Derek Prince has apparently studied Greek since he was 10 years old and also taught it at Cambridge University.  Although he occasionally indulges in a common Pentecostal trait of interpreting some experiences without real Scriptural support, he is far nearer Biblical orthodoxy than any of the other names you mentioned. 
And a book I would recommend to every Christian is 'Appointment In Jerusalem' by his wife, Lydia Prince - an absolutely uplifting account of a spiritual conversion so absolute (despite all obstacles created by unbelieving 'Christians'!) and resulting in a magnificent ministry to poor, sick and rejected children!  No genuine Christian can fail to be moved by Lydia's story and Praise God for His faithfulness.


'Jesus Culture' is part of the 'latter rain apostolic miracle revival' heresy and accepts typical fatuous 'visions and prophecies' from dubious sources!

The 'Jesus Culture' is committed to the latter rain apostolic miracle revival heresy and follow the extremely dubious visions and prophecies of people such as Reinhard Bonnke, Bill Johnson, Lou Engle and Cindy Jacobs.  They think they are seeing a "new breed of revivalists emerging throughout the earth" who will "walk in the supernatural, demonstrating the Kingdom of God through power" (see "About Jesus Culture") and will "walk in Kingdom authority, and heal the sick and raise the dead" and "revolutionize the world," "change cultures and see entire regions saved."  This was largely a result of a  2007 'prophecy' by Lou Engle and Cindy Jacobs who declared that God was going to move the 'Jesus Culture' conferences into stadiums and perform "signs and wonders."  The common use of techniques gleaned from contemporary music - provocative dance rhythms, repetitious chord sequences, repetitive simplistic lyrics, sensual vocal styles, electronic distortion, darkened halls, coloured lighting, smoke etc. - is certain to appeal to our carnal nature and young Christians, many of whom are extremely reluctant to give up the old pleasures which so influenced them before they became Christians, are particularly vulnerable.

We have written to 'Word-Faith' followers over the years and it just as hard to convince them of the errors of their 'leaders' as in any other cult.  Our main representative replies containing the major points addressed to 'Word-Faith' believers (which we are including in our reply to you) now appear before this e-mail at
'Josephine Melrose' - 'Tom Wood' - and 'Pastor Jeff Schrick' - but readers can jump to specific subjects using the side-bar on the right.

Don't 'Word-Faith' believers ever wonder why other apostles and 'heroes of the faith' suffered?


The first writer in the list above - Josephine Melrose - could not come up with a logical, Scriptural reply to these questions and, as you can read, actually wrote that the apostle Paul suffered -
as he clearly did because of his witness to the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ - because he had persecuted the church before his conversion on the road to Damascus (Acts 9)!  According to this 'Word Faith' adherent we continue to be punished by God even after we have repented of our past sins and accepted full and free salvation in the Lord Jesus Christ - can you think of a single Scripture that supports this idea!  While it is true that the results of our former sinful life may still have effects on our life (because people we damaged before we were saved will not forgive us easily - if ever), it was mainly Paul's former friends and co-workers in the false teachings of the priests and scribes who sought to injure or kill him - and they taught others to do the same.  Don't 'Word-Faith' believers reasoning in this manner ever wonder what all the other apostles and 'heroes of the faith' suffered for? (Hebrews 11:35-38):

'Women received their dead by a resurrection: and others were tortured, not accepting their deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: and others had trial of mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: they were stoned, they were sawn asunder, they were tempted, they were slain with the sword: they went about in sheepskins, in goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, ill-treated (of whom the world was not worthy), wandering in deserts and mountains and caves, and the holes of the earth.'

Like your 'head pastor', can you imagine the millionairess Joyce Meyer 'wandering in deserts and mountains and caves, and the holes of the earth'?  Not when they can con their followers into funding luxurious lifestyles and swan around in their opulent mansions!

We have finally found the time to put these dialogues with 'Word-Faith' adherents - and those suffering from the involvement of their families - on the website.  But, sadly, we have found that it is every bit as hard to persuade 'Word-Faith' believers that they are following heretics as it is to persuade Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons etc. that they are being deceived.


The ministry of genuine spiritual gifts - God-given endowments for Christian service - is vital to believers!

Finally, noting how many innocents follow 'charismaniacs' (rather than true Christian leaders with genuine charismatic gifts) because of the 'excitement' they perceive in these 'wonderful new doctrines, revelations, and prophecies' (all of which are just 'smoke and mirrors' and 'Emperor's New Clothes' deceptions), we would advise every Christian to follow the Word of God with all of their body, soul and spirit.  It is an undeniable truth that, as Christians, we are generally so lukewarm that we fail to follow the Word as closely as we possibly can and thereby miss out on an abundance of blessings from God who promised to lead us 'into all truth' (John 16v7ff.).  Perhaps no area of Biblical doctrine has been more misunderstood and abused in the church than that of spiritual gifts. Yet no area of doctrine is more important to the spiritual health and effectiveness of the church. Apart from the direct energizing of the new believer by God's Spirit, nothing is more vital to believers than the ministry of their spiritual gifts, which are God-given endowments for Christian service.

Contrary to the thinking that has become common to many people, both in the church and outside, the true church of Jesus Christ is not a visible human organization run by a hierarchy of officials, many of whom have taken titles that are far from Biblical - and which often display the arrogance of the party taking the position (e.g. 'Reverend', 'Very Reverend' etc.!).  The church is not a social agency to meet the needs and demands of the community or simply a convenient place in which to be married, buried, or baptized. It is certainly not a religious social club in which people of like-minded beliefs and standards get together for fellowship and occasional service activities.

Jesus promised, as part of the 'truth' we were going to be led into, that every member of Christ's church would be given supernatural endowments, gifts of God's Holy Spirit, which, through the Spirit, are God's divine means of ministering His Word and power among His people and to the world. They are God's supernatural provision for the edification of the church and the evangelization of the world and the means through which believers are to grow in their worship, witness, and in their service.  True spiritual gifts are given by God to strengthen and manifest oneness, harmony, and power while Satan's counterfeit gifts are meant to divide, disrupt, and weaken - which is just the effect the 'Word-Faith' cult and 'charismania' generally have had on the church.  God's gifts build up while Satan's counterfeits tear down.  But remembering the 'parable of the talents' (Matthew 25), is it not easy to observe that the majority of those claiming to be Christians do almost nothing with 'spiritual talents'?


Satan waits to take advantage of man's tendency to replace God's way with a counterfeit - which fools fools repeatedly!

We fully appreciate how the 'dead orthodoxy' of so much of what passes for Christianity today (but which is really off-shoots of the Papal Roman Catholic cult) has been so disappointing to so many (apart from those who love pomp and ceremony) and led to many - who were looking for the 'excitement' and fervour so clearly described in the New Testament - to seek the same in churches and Christian meetings today!  Satan is always waiting to take advantage of man's tendency to replace God's way with a counterfeit - which is why the counterfeit works so well, time and time again!

The Letters to the Corinthian church reveal how, much like the church today, serious counterfeiting, as well as misunderstanding and misuse of spiritual gifts, led to serious problems. Some of the Corinthian believers recognized the problem, and 1 Corinthians 12-14 continues to answer questions about which they had written to Paul (7:1).  Just as the Corinthians had perverted almost everything else, they also perverted the nature, purpose, and use of spiritual gifts. This perversion, as with the others, was largely due to ideas and practices they had dragged from their pagan society into the church (something Papal Rome did under its founder, the Emperor Constantine). The old life continually contaminated the new. They had not separated themselves from their former ways and were still handling - and even strongly holding onto - that which was "unclean" (2 Cor. 6:14-17). Although they were rich and complete in spiritual gifts (1 Cor. 1:7), they were poor in understanding them and irresponsible in using them.

This is why we find con artists like the 'Word-Faith' heretics, with their false 'gifts of the Spirit', making such an impression on so many in the church.  Remember, Satan has a deception for every human being who was ever born - if he doesn't get you to ignore Jesus with some false religion, he will get you with some occupation that takes your mind off spiritual things, whether it be greedily making money and seeking possessions, or something as simple as a time consuming sport or hobby.

We yearn for shortcuts!  As feeble human beings we grow by striving, working, and 'stretching ourselves' - in a sense, our human nature needs problems more than solutions because we grow as we realise God is with us in our struggles. 
Why are all prayers not answered magically and instantly - as the 'Word Faith' heretics insist can happen if you 'name it and claim it'?  Why must every convert travel the same tedious path of spiritual discipline?  Because persistent prayer, fasting, study, and meditation on His Word are designed primarily for our sakes, not for God's.  Christians can be so like lazy school-children who want to look up the answers to their school work in the back of the book rather than work them through.  We yearn for shortcuts, again and again.  But, too often, shortcuts lead away from growth, not toward it.  And in the case of the 'Word Faith' cult the major attraction is their claim to miracle healings and 'tremendous revelations from God' (this is why examining the documented record of the people who died after believing that Benny Hinn et al had healed them - or as a result of stopping their medication because they were 'healed' - can open people's eyes to the truth about these deceivers!).  Remember the necessity to follow the counsel of 1 Thessalonians 5:19-22:

'Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings.
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil'.

We need to 'prove all things' by examining the evidence that our senses clearly inform us of! 
If we see people writhing like serpents at 'charismatic meetings' we ask ourselves where this is described in the Bible - and who in all of Creation would want you to imitate the actions of such a creature (Gen. 3 & Rev. 20v2).  The 'Word Faith' lie - 'touch not the Lord's anointed' - which is neither Biblical nor born out by the facts - is designed to stop us examining the facts too closely and encourages us to blindly follow the disciples of this Serpent.  Genuine observed facts do not lie and, allied to Biblical truth, they expose all deceivers.  If we apply the principle we should learn from Job - and ask 'what was the final result of the testing he went through' - we find that faith like Job's cannot be shaken because it is the result of having been shaken.


Genuine Christians who follow God's way will see His power in their lives just as believers have experienced throughout history without need of counterfeit 'miracles'!

The most spiritual Christian we know fasts and prays regularly while reading the Bible through (more than once a year!).  We are astonished how anyone can so easily (God makes it look easy!) cope with drinking just black coffee (no milk or sugar) and survive easily while carrying on with housework and all it entails (including being mother to eight children - at one time she had five children all under five years in age!).  She does this whenever she is seeking some 'special guidance' from God - and fasts in this way 4 to 7 days at a time!  But she does not let anyone know she is doing this (Matthew 6v6: 'But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly'.) - it is only because her husband works in this ministry that we have learnt these things. Some years ago she was leaving her house with the youngest children to collect the older children from school.  God sent a shuddering warning through her of 'great danger' - so she stopped at her door to kneel and pray with the youngest before she set out pushing the children in a wheeled 'buggy'.  As she approached the old school building she heard a rumbling sound and a huge block of stone (weighing about 50lb = ~23kg), that had fallen off the very high school roof, smashed into the school playground just a few feet in front of the 'buggy'.  Doubting people would say this was 'coincidence' - or lucky - but those who know this lady and have prayed and ministered with her know that such things as this happen often because of her strong relationship with our Father God.  Such 'Sovereign Acts of God' prove He is as real today as He has always been to those who have faith in Him.

In conclusion, we pray that you will continue to grow in faith and seek His face daily that He will mightily bless you all in your struggle to break away totally from this evil cult.

We trust this reply will be of use to you and hope to hear from you again.

Be certain we will not forget you and will be praying for you and your family and the church that has gone so far astray.

Humbly, trusting in His grace alone, in the Name of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ

TCE

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