'Replies from Word-Faith'

Lilia Zusman - 18

5th September, 2011


Example 4 - Devastation caused to 'Old little jewish great grandma from Russia..'  by the 'Word-Faith' cult!

Who gave you the authority to judge the brothers in the Lord?

From: liliazusman
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 5:42 PM


Who gave you the authority to judge the brothers in the Lord? I pray the Holy Spirit encounter ,if you are not born again...I  pray you would study the Book of Acts...You are trying to figure out by your intellect...Do you serve the Living God ? Well ,it's about time to crucify your flesh....otherwise you will stand before the Throne to give an account..Trust Almighty with all these names you are trying so hard to pull down, just because your finite mind can not understand..Repent now..

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TCE replies: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:35 PM

The Word of God - which is only found in the Bible - clearly commands us to 'judge righteously', as we have done!


Dear Liliazusman

thank you for taking the time to e-mail us.

If you ever put your accusations into a coherent form - and specify how you believe we have acted un-Biblically - we may consider forming a reply under the conditions clearly stated on our home page.

Regarding 'judging others', the article in reply to 'Letter 1' - re. 'judging righteously' (on
this page) - fully explains why we are correct in our exposure of false teachers/heretics etc.

In Jesus' Precious Name

TCE 

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Lilia Zusman replies: 10th September, 2011 7.35AM

Dear ones!
Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God...Ask the Person of the Holy Spirit to reveal your error....Only Grace is the factor..Jesus said :" Learn of me- I am meak and lowly"

" You have not, because you ask not" " If you believe- all things are possible with God" etc. Our God is unsearchable...your finite mind can not comprehend how deep and high and wide His Love is..Does He love the fallen race He created ? Oh! Yes...He has to give away this amazing Love...Who am I ?

One of the lost sheep of the House of Israel who met Messiah through pain and suffering...Why would God choose a sinner of sinners /He uses foolish things to confide the wise/ to be a witness to this world? I do not have the answer...
People you call false teachers are my brothers in the Lord...I love them...thank God for them...Their teachings are Bible based...When I bacame a believer in Jesus, I have lost it all...all my posessions are gone...only heart belongs to my Master...Yet, I am absolutely convinced the Cross allows me today to be prosperpous, have it all...on this sinful earth, according to the principles of the Kingdom of Light...All these people you mentioned  had learned the principles and faithfully applied to their life...I am happy for them...they are servants of the Most High ...I did not apply..for many reasons..that's why I have not.. We are saved by Grace and are spared for one undeniable purpose : to share the Gospel with world around us...Theologians have a problem understanding the Power of the Holy Spirit, The Presence of God, The Anointing that breaks the yoke..

May the King of Glory grant you support from Zion !
Old little jewish great grandma from Russia..

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TCE:  September 10, 2011 11.20AM

Dear Lilia Zusman,

thank you for taking the time to reply.

We note your comments but do not believe you have considered the points we made in our page reference.

Unless you choose to consider the many aspects of sound exegesis, hermeneutics and the way in which true 'theology' of the exact kind demonstrated by the apostle Paul is essential to accurate understanding of Scripture then you will not change your views.

Jesus made this clear in many Scriptures, e.g.:

John 8:31-32: 'said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If
ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32  And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.'

How come many priests and Pharisees did not understand Jesus?  Because they had corrupted His Word and thus added their own laws and traditions to their own advantage.  There are many verses that speak of the essential knowledge that God has given in His wonderfully preserved Word, e.g.:

Mal 2:7 For the lips of a priest preserve
knowledge, And law they do seek from his mouth, For a messenger of Jehovah of Hosts he is.
Lu 1:77 To give
knowledge of salvation to His people In remission of their sins,
Lu 11:52 'Woe to you, the lawyers, because ye took away the key of the
knowledge; yourselves ye did not enter; and those coming in, ye did hinder.'
Ac 4:13 And beholding the openness of Peter and John, and having perceived that they are men unlettered and plebeian, they were wondering - they were taking
knowledge also of them that had been with Jesus ...
Ro 1:28 And, according as they did not approve of having God in
knowledge, God gave them up to a disapproved mind, to do the things not seemly;
Ro 2:20 an instructor of foolish ones, a teacher of babes, having the form of the
knowledge and of the truth in the law.
Ro 3:20 wherefore by works of law shall no flesh be declared righteous before Him, for through law is a
knowledge of sin.
Ro 10:2 for I bear them testimony that they have a zeal of God, but not according to
knowledge,
Ro 11:33 O depth of riches, and wisdom and
knowledge of God! how unsearchable His judgments, and untraceable His ways!
Ro 15:14 And I am persuaded, my brethren - I myself also - concerning you, that ye yourselves also are full of goodness, having been filled with all
knowledge, able also one another to admonish;
1Co 1:5 that in every thing ye were enriched in him, in all discourse and all
knowledge,
1Co 8:1 And concerning the things sacrificed to idols, we have known that we all have
knowledge: knowledge puffeth up, but love buildeth up;
1Co 8:7 but not in all men is the
knowledge, and certain with conscience of the idol, till now, as a thing sacrificed to an idol do eat it, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. [Young's Literal Translation]

The point we wish to emphasise is that the Word of God speaks clearly of the importance of true knowledge - but also of those who will seek to corrupt that truth to their own gain, e.g. the 'Word Faith' heretics.

John 17:1-5 (NASB) - 1  Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said,
"Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You,  2  even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life.  3  "This is eternal life, that they may know You [Greek: γινώσκω - ginóskō, pronounced: ghin-oce'-ko - meaning: to come to know (absolutely) in a great variety of applications, recognize, perceive, be sure, understand], the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.  4  "I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. 5  "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Unlike those who do not study the Word of God carefully, we 'know' the the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and recognise that the Lord Jesus Christ was claiming equality with the Father by speaking in this way, for the Old Testament reveals:

Isaiah 42:7-8 (NASB) - 7  To open blind eyes, To bring out prisoners from the dungeon And those who dwell in darkness from the prison. 8  "I am the LORD, that is My name;
I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images.

In the Old Testament, Almighty God declares He will not give His glory to any who are not 'gods', for all who claim to be deity are fake, and He certainly will not share His praise with 'graven images'!  But Jesus dares to say '
Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was' - thus proving He is fully and equally God with the Father!

There are many fake Christians who claim to be working for Almighty God, including the 'Word-Faith' heretics such as Benny Hinn, who declared:

'we must never speak such faith-destroying words as these:  'If it be thy will, Lord.'... I am Him [Jesus]! The Word has become flesh in Me! ... You are a little god on earth...!'

This is all utterly un-Scriptural and utterly heretical and blasphemous, as we showed in detail on other pages (see Menu - left).

You still have not specified who you think we are 'judging hypocritically' (see our first reference) and, unless you do so, we are limited in the time we can allocate to replies to your mail.

But we joyfully note that
You write: 'We are saved by Grace and are spared for one undeniable purpose: to share the Gospel with world around us...'.

If you are relying on grace alone to enter heaven, carried there by the Atonement wrought by the sacrificial blood of Yeshua, the Messiah, we could not be more thrilled, for we read:

Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB) - 8 
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;  9  not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.  10  For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

At the same time we pray that you understand that 'the Gospel' we share is found in the Bible alone and that many false teachers have gone out into the world bringing another gospel that is not the Gospel - as we were warned:

Acts 20:27-31 - 27  For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.  28  Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.  29 
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.  30  Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.  31  Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

Notice that these 'wolves' would arise even from among this same flock of 'sheep'.  And the 'perverse things' they would speak of are described in many other passages, e.g.:

Galatians 1:6-9 -  I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:  7  Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.  8 
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.  9  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Another gospel must look something like the real Gospel to be believable - and it is those who bring such a 'gospel' that we warn about.  If you are trying to claim that all - or virtually all - 'gospels' lead to God then there are many Bible verses that demolish such an idea and Paul's clear words to separate from those who cause 'division' (factions) by twisting the Word of God, could not be clearer:

Romans 16:17-18 -  Now I beseech you, brethren,
mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18  For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

1 Corinthians 11:18-19 - 18  For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19  For
there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

There are, for example, many Roman Catholics who would like to believe that Peter was the first 'pope' and that their 'popes' are infallible, but the testimony of Galatians 2:11-14 reveals the truth:

Galatians 2:11-14  - 11   But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.12  For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13  And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 14  But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel,
I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Paul corrected Peter in front of them all!  There are many other examples of Paul warning the church about named men who opposed the true Gospel in other ways (if you use the search facility on our Home Page you can check this out).

While there are many people who have great knowledge of Scripture - and even the original languages - yet do not know Yeshua as Lord and Saviour, it is not their knowledge that stops them accepting the Lamb of Calvary (
You write: 'Theologians have a problem understanding the Power of the Holy Spirit, The Presence of God, The Anointing that breaks the yoke ...') but their sinful nature!

Unless you choose to be more specific we cannot spend more time in replying, but note that you sign off:  'Old little jewish great grandma from Russia..'

We hope you have noted our many pages revealing our support of God's chosen people and the evil of the Satanic plot wrought through the nations of the world to destroy Israel - and our support of such pro-Israel ministries as the 'Friends of Israel' -
http://www.foi.org and 'Moriel' - http://www.moriel.org ?

If you don't know the story of Zvi (who escaped the Nazis as a 10-year old boy and survived through the grace of God to eventually reach Israel, where he lives still having fought and survived the wars against the Islamic nations of Satan and still witnesses daily of his Saviour the Messiah) or Jacob Prasch, who was brought up in a Jewish/Roman Catholic home (he speaks Hebrew and Greek, teaches theology and guides Israel tours despite poor health caused mainly by a car crash) but found the Messiah - then please follow these links.

Again, we thank you for taking the time to write and pray that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob will keep you and your loved ones.

If you care to be more specific in your concerns then we will endeavour to reply as soon as possible.

In the love and grace of Christ Jesus, our Lord and Saviour

TCE


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What is it that makes us 'brothers in the Lord'?

Lilia Zusman? 10th September, 2011 08:59 PM

Dear ones ! Satan knows the Word, yet ii's not revealed to him....that's why he  has no ability to break the seal of the Blood...There is no use for us to strife over The Living Word...
The names you mentioned as false teachers - happen to be my brothers in the Lord...Hebrews 4:14...Faith like love is only revealed in action and word...our words are the coins in the Kingdom of Faith..The Bible is God's confession..Jesus as you see Him in the four Gospels, is continually making confessions...John 6:63..

I chose to believe God's Word, I chose to believe the Word does what it says...I chose to listen to the teachers of Grace...The Law has no dominion over me...
Your choice I respect- you perceive  and categorize men of God according to your sences...This is between you and God...As for me, my Master, my Redeemer, my Healer, my Deliverer is my focus on earth-- I've seen His wonders....He is my Source...I was pronounced dead and He brought me back to life...I do not deserve His Love..Yet ,He " Chosen me before the foundation of the world" , my Lord is instructing not to judge before appointed time...I chose to obey...Without Him we have no capacity to love others..." the love was shed abroad our heart"...John 15:5...I love you/agape/...

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TCE:  September 15, 2011 10:49 AM
Subject:  Making Scriptural judgements


A demonstration of how those trapped in deception ignore Biblical doctrines and fail to be Bereans!

Dear Lilia

thank you for replying.

Sadly, it would appear that you have not read our clear article on 'judging', or you would not have made the incorrect statement (one of many in your reply) that '
you perceive  and categorize men of God according to your sences [sic] ...This is between you and God...'.  In one of the clearest possible examples of Biblical judging (1 Cor. 5-6) the apostle Paul spells out clearly the necessity of judging in the church.  Would it really be possible to read these two chapters and yet not acknowledge the clear truth of these facts? 
   
Can you really accept the 'Word Faith' heretics ['The names you mentioned as false teachers - happen to be my brothers in the Lord...Hebrews 4:14'] as brothers without making sound judgements concerning their many false teachings, particularly concerning their blasphemous doctrine that the Lord Jesus Christ was 'born again in Hell'?

Perhaps you can explain why Benny Hinn had to finally admit: ''I no longer agree that Jesus was born again in Hell.  That I did teach.  I no longer agree that He went down to the underworld under the control of Satan, which at one time I did teach.'?

Can you also explain how, after he had supposedly back-tracked, Hinn could use these words for his critics:

''You know, I've looked for one verse in the Bible - I just can't seem to find it - one verse that says, 'If you don't like 'em, kill 'em.' I really wish I could find it!...Sometimes I wish God would give me a Holy Ghost machine gun.  I'd blow your head off!'

The deceived TBN studio audience loudly applauded these words from the 'man of God' who is surely fulfilling the primary sign Christ gave of the nearness of His return (Mt 24v24):

'For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect''

Hinn has also made many 'prophecies' which have all failed - some of them as judgemental as it possible to be, e.g '... Hinn's failed 'prophecies' regarding the destruction of the homosexual community in the USA etc., when they don't happen these 'prophets' always have an excuse'.

Any test of Word Faith doctrines will find a bizarre, un-Scriptural view.  We include major sections from replies to other deceived 'Word Faith' believers (which are now found on pages to 
'Josephine Melrose'  - to 'Tom Wood' - and to 'Pastor Jeff Schrick')

We hope you will check all these things out extremely carefully.

May God bless you and guide you in discerning the true Spirit from the counterfeit.

In Christ Jesus

TCE


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Can false teachers ever be 'brothers in the Lord'?!

Lilia Zusman? 10th September, 2011 08:59 PM

Dear ones ! Satan knows the Word, yet ii's not revealed to him....that's why he  has no ability to break the seal of the Blood...There is no use for us to strife over The Living Word...
The names you mentioned as false teachers - happen to be my brothers in the Lord...Hebrews 4:14...Faith like love is only revealed in action and word...our words are the coins in the Kingdom of Faith..The Bible is God's confession..Jesus as you see Him in the four Gospels, is continually making confessions...John 6:63..

I chose to believe God's Word, I chose to believe the Word does what it says...I chose to listen to the teachers of Grace...The Law has no dominion over me...
Your choice I respect- you perceive  and categorize men of God according to your sences...This is between you and God...As for me, my Master, my Redeemer, my Healer, my Deliverer is my focus on earth-- I've seen His wonders....He is my Source...I was pronounced dead and He brought me back to life...I do not deserve His Love..Yet ,He " Chosen me before the foundation of the world" , my Lord is instructing not to judge before appointed time...I chose to obey...Without Him we have no capacity to love others..." the love was shed abroad our heart"...John 15:5...I love you/agape/...

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TCE:  September 15, 2011 10:49 AM
Subject:  Making Scriptural judgements


A demonstration of how those trapped in deception ignore Biblical doctrines and fail to be Bereans!

Dear Lilia

thank you for replying.

Sadly, it would appear that you have not read our clear article on 'judging', or you would not have made the incorrect statement (one of many in your reply) that '
you perceive  and categorize men of God according to your sences [sic] ...This is between you and God...'.  In one of the clearest possible examples of Biblical judging (1 Cor. 5-6) the apostle Paul spells out clearly the necessity of judging in the church.  Would it really be possible to read these two chapters and yet not acknowledge the clear truth of these facts? 
   
Can you really accept the 'Word Faith' heretics ['The names you mentioned as false teachers - happen to be my brothers in the Lord...Hebrews 4:14'] as brothers without making sound judgements concerning their many false teachings, particularly concerning their blasphemous doctrine that the Lord Jesus Christ was 'born again in Hell'?

Perhaps you can explain why Benny Hinn had to finally admit: ''I no longer agree that Jesus was born again in Hell.  That I did teach.  I no longer agree that He went down to the underworld under the control of Satan, which at one time I did teach.'?

Can you also explain how, after he had supposedly back-tracked, Hinn could use these words for his critics:

''You know, I've looked for one verse in the Bible - I just can't seem to find it - one verse that says, 'If you don't like 'em, kill 'em.' I really wish I could find it!...Sometimes I wish God would give me a Holy Ghost machine gun.  I'd blow your head off!'

The deceived TBN studio audience loudly applauded these words from the 'man of God' who is surely fulfilling the primary sign Christ gave of the nearness of His return (Mt 24v24):

'For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect''

Hinn has also made many 'prophecies' which have all failed - some of them as judgemental as it possible to be, e.g '... Hinn's failed 'prophecies' regarding the destruction of the homosexual community in the USA etc., when they don't happen these 'prophets' always have an excuse'.

Any test of Word Faith doctrines will find a bizarre, un-Scriptural view - as we have shown in the sections we sent you from our replies to three deceived 'Word Faith' believers (see our previous reply).

We hope you will check all these things out extremely carefully.

May God bless you and guide you in discerning the true Spirit from the counterfeit.

In Christ Jesus

TCE


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Don't bother me with the Word of God, facts of Scripture or history - my mind is made up!

Lilia Zusman?:  15th September, 2011 7.47 PM

Dear ones !
You may know the Book and do not know the Author..Your gifts will not rise above your relationship with the Holy Sprit - the third Person of the Trinity...So called /by you/ "faith teachers" are pregnant with the Word of God....revealed by the Spirit of God...only...they recognize their complete dependency on the Vine, I watch their lives through the years/"they will know you by the fruit".../-they never retaliate, they are free...For the first time in my life I  watched TBN 15 years ago, Benny Hinn and his passion for Jesus touched my heart, because of anointing- I keep all his teachings about BLOOD,ABOUT PRESENCE, ABOUT ANOINTING...HOLY SPIRIT, TRINITY, GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST- his priority as international evangelist- millions all over the world ...I watched India, my country Russia, I watched Europe transformed/surely not by Benny/ by the Power of the Holy Spirit - a small  man- an imperfect vessel - a jar of clay as we all are is used by God...His passion for Jesus became my passion....God gave us gift of descerment- that what helps us to recognize the source- Benny always is preaching the Word  and then signs and wonders follow, he never is boasting...he explains to people his humanity, his weaknesses/I have it recorded/ only our Lord is glorified by using imperfect vessels...John 3:3- "you never know where the wind comes from".." the wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear it's sound, but you can not tell..." Nocodemus- teacher  without the Spirit inside of Him  was unable to understand , Benny himsef is unaware of Miracles of divine healing- God is choosing "follish things-" "who is among you wise?'..."that no flesh could boast"- Satan is the accuser of the brethren- these  servants of God walk by the Spirit- act by the Spirit- Jesus said: "The Words which I've spoken to you are Spirit and Life" -intellect/soul/ is of no help...Persecution of the Christians within the Church or religious system is very common...Yet, guess  Who is on the Throne? Who is the  Ruler of The Universe ?  Please, come to your sences : His Grace is sufficient for you, His strength is made perfect in your weakness"...seek His Face , long for His Presence, surrender to your Maker...my place is at the feet of Jesus and  surely, my above mentioned brothers are receiving Heavenly gifts..for one reason only-  they are connected to the Vine/"Without me you can  do nothing"  I am an old little jewish great grandma, saved by Grace without special theological aducation- my tutor is Holy Spirit...I completely trust Him...In the Beginning...The Word became Flesh and dwelt among us" Jesus is the Word ! I pray you will  have   the encounter of a life time with the Living Word ! That He will touch your lips with burning coal...you will know Him and the Power of His Resurrection...I love you

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Failing to address a single point made by Christian apologists is totally consistent with all disciples of all cults!


TCE: 30th September, 2011 3.07PM

Dear Lilia

thank you for your mail although, as we feared, you merely reveal that you are thoroughly seduced by 'the spirit' that controls Hinn and all the 'Word Faith' deceivers.

That you fail to address a single point we have made concerning these obvious, flagrant deceivers is merely totally consistent with all disciples of this cult - as with all cults!

The fact that we have detailed boastful threats made by Hinn and then you claim '
they never retaliate ... he never is boasting...' makes it clear that you are the victim of 'seducing spirits and doctrines of demons' (1 Tim.  4v1).  The 'gift of descerment [sic]' (1 Corinthians 12:10) is actually a gift given to some believers, not all believers - as the very verse makes clear: 

'
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues ...'.

You clearly do not have this gift!

While the Bible is clear that the Holy Spirit speaks to individuals through the words of the Bible, many deceivers pay lip-service to the Word - and Word Faith teachers are no exception.

The Bible truth is clear.  Orthodox Christians correctly follow the Scriptural exhortation and look to the guidance of the Holy Spirit.  Therefore, by comparison of doctrinal exposition from each believer, the truth can clearly be discerned in every aspect of every major doctrine.  Thus it is found that all of the Christian 'denominations' believe the same major doctrines, e.g. the 'Triunity' of God, the Deity of Christ, salvation by faith through grace alone.  The Bible declares that every faithful Christian is indwelt, empowered, and led by the Holy Spirit and, in fact, that one is not even a Christian without this inner witness and leading of the Holy Spirit:

Romans 8v9,14,16 - 'Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.... For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons ... The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God...'

1 Corinthians 2v10-13 - But God hath revealed them [the 'things of God'] unto us by his Spirit; for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God ... the things of God knoweth no man but [by] the Spirit of God.  Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God, that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Spirit teacheth.

To try and tar believers, who follow Scriptural exhortation in correctly applying tests given by Christ and His apostles, with the '
Satan is the accuser of the brethren' label is ignorance typical of those deceived by 'Word Faith' heretics whose attempts to lead deluded followers to accept their 'word' as the Words of Jesus ('Spirit and Life') are no different from Roman Catholic 'popes' who demand that their every word be followed - regardless of its contradiction of Scripture and failure to be achieved.  You make this clear by your failure to even attempt to address the failed prophecies and healings that Hinn claims are 'from the Lord'.

That a section of Apostate Christianity is foolish enough to allow these heretics into their midst ('Persecution of the Christians within the Church or religious system is very common...') does not make them Christian - anymore than other cult leaders are true followers of the Lord Christ Jesus.

Finally, it is only your refusal to closely examine the evidence as Scripture exhorts that causes you to claim that '
my above mentioned brothers are receiving Heavenly gifts..for one reason only-  they are connected to the Vine/"Without me you can  do nothing"' - for simple examination of their supposed 'miracles' proves without fail that they are no better than stage illusionists and have never produced a single medically confirmed cure EVER!

Biblical miracles were attested by witnesses who knew those who had been blind, crippled, or even died - and were then instantaneously healed, or healed by then following simple instructions (e.g. 'Go - wash in the pool of Siloam' - John 9v7). 
True miracles are a world away from the 'blowing into a microphone' stage tricks of Word Faith con men.  Quod erat demonstrandum ('which was to be demonstrated'!).

Note that we have never claimed that '
special theological aducation [sic]' was necessary to be saved - or even to be a Berean (Acts 17v11) - but we are all called to 'make sure of all things' so that we can know the truth - as this Scripture also informs us:

Ephesians 4v11-16 -11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,  12  for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;  13  until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fulness of Christ.  14 
As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves, and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming;  15  but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him, who is the head, even Christ,  16  from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by that which every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.'

We can only pray that you are protected from the extreme foolishness of these deceivers and remain in His '
Grace ... The Word [who] became Flesh and dwelt among us ... Jesus ... !' so that we can one day meet in heaven where He will wipe 'every tear from [our] eyes' (Revelation 7v17; 21v4).

In the Precious Name of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ

TCE


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To falsely accuse servants of God ('renounce lying demons and the spirit of jelousy [sic]') is typical 'Word-Faith'!

Lilia replies:  3rd October 2011

Dear ones ! I do not know who you are behind these words...I tend to believe the ocults and the spirit of anti-christ is trying to take over the so called "chrictians", I see you never mention the ocults /those whom the Bible talks about as false teachers of the last days/...The Scriptures you quating are not revealed by the Holy Spirit, but by the theological mind set...intellectual theology

Hank Hanegraaf no longer on the Christian radio/, you try to figure out God's plan for the Church...do not waste your time/borrowed/....
These brothers of mine not only speak the Scriptures but apply The Word to their Life , they have what they say....claim what they say..." My Word will not return void, but will accompish what it was purposed for" ,"you have not because you ask not", ask the Spirit of the Living God to reveal the Word to you and surrender to your tutor _ another Helper " Who will guide you in all truth", renounce lying demons and the spirit of jelousy towards the servants of the Living God...many names you have mentioned before are in the Lamb's Book of Life...As for me the Lord has given me the gift of descernment, I am one of the "boreans" constantly checking and it's working in my life....just one little jewish greatgrandma, a follower of Jesus, sitting at His Feet until He calls me Home..."In quiteness in confidence is my strength".

Walk in the Fullness of Godhead...
stop investigating...and confusing so called nominal christians..When I see in the Scriptures : "My chidren will be taught by the Lord"- I claim and believe..

When I Read : "Beloved, above all I wish that you will prosper and be in good health, even if thy soul prosper"- I know my Master is talking to me..
You have chosen to hate your brother Benny

What a dreadful choice in this life..."Think about what is good and profitable for the Kingdom"..I love you

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Many Scriptures that have exposed 'Word-Faith' were not given to 'theologians' but to 'fishers of men'!

TCE replies: 17th October, 2011

Dear Lilia

you continue to make erroneous assumptions - which we will deal with briefly out of respect for you:


Hinn claims to have been anointed at the graves of deceased heretics - this is Biblically forbidden occult necromancy!

You write: 'I see you never mention the ocults /those whom the Bible talks about as false teachers of the last days/...'

TCE: have you actually read much of what we have written to you?  Apart from a complete section on the occult on this page - we can clearly prove that Hinn and others are also using occult methods.  Hinn has a habitual problem with speaking the truth, having been caught in numerous lies about his own life and ministry and subsequently threatening his critics - and also their innocent children!  He claims to have been visited by Elijah and the dead Kathryn Kuhlman (another Word of Faith 'evangelist' to whom he often refers for inspiration),  reporting that he obtains "an anointing" from visiting the grave of Aimee Semple McPherson, another fore-runner of the cult.  This is all clear Biblical evidence that Hinn has delved into Biblically forbidden necromancy (Deuteronomy18:10-11; Leviticus 20:27; Jeremiah 14:14).

Sadly, you then descend into another cult technique that is a favourite of the Mormons, by accusing others of 'not being spiritual enough' to understand how to interpret Scripture: 'The Scriptures you quating are not revealed by the Holy Spirit, but by the theological mind set...intellectual theology'!


'Word-Faith' disciples soon begin to attack those who have opposed their teachers!

You write: 'Hank Hanegraaf no longer on the Christian radio/, you try to figure out God's plan for the Church...'

TCE: Hanegraaff has done great work, including (ref. Christianity in Crisis, 1993) charging the 'Word-Faith' movement with heretical teachings and correctly identifying 'Word-Faith' groups as cults.  Sadly, he is reported to have been 'chrismated' into the Eastern Orthodox Church at St. Nektarios Greek Orthodox Church in Charlotte, NC.

We cannot waste more time on your pointless unproven false accusations, ref.: 'renounce lying demons and the spirit of jelousy towards the servants of the Living God...' etc.


Why do 'Word-Faith' followers accuse Bible-believers of hatred when they cannot refute them!

Sadly, believing that '... the Lord has given me the gift of descernment, I am one of the "boreans" constantly checking and it's working in my life....' just does not add up with your claims and advising us to '...stop investigating...and confusing so called nominal christians..' is another un-Biblical ploy.

We have clearly proven that it is Hinn who reveals his hatred towards Christians who expose his deception so, for you to write: '..You have chosen to hate your brother Benny ...', shows - yet again - that you have a colossal blind spot which causes you to be unable to follow your own advice - "Think about what is good and profitable for the Kingdom" - and truly set yourself free to serve the Lord Jesus Christ.

In the Name of the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and power, before all time, and now, and for evermore.

TCE

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To accuse Bible-believers of 'contradicting the Scriptures' you must give clear examples!

Lilia replies: 17th October, 2011 8:22PM

Well! Our Lord is instructing us/His followers/ to bless those who falsely accuse us..or persecute us...even the enemies....
Since you did not follow His instructions, I see you contradicting the Scriptures...No, Benny never retaliates.. he is my brother, I will always pray for him....trevail for him when the vultures are seeking  to devour the servant of the Lord...I pray the spirit of conviction upon you...Ask the Lord  for guidance...surrender...I  love you...

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A summary of one disciples' inability to refute our exposé of 'Word-Faith'!


TCE replies: 21st October, 2011 2:57PM

Dear Lilia

since you have not replied to a single challenge we have made we will abbreviate to bullet points:

  • in order to accuse us of 'falsely accus[ing] ...or persecut[ion]' you need to prove we have done either of these things - but you have proven nothing;
  • in order to claim we 'did not follow His instructions' and of 'contradicting the Scriptures' you need to prove us guilty of doing so and that Hinn is innocent;
  • in order to claim that 'Benny never retaliates' you need to destroy the evidence (from his own material, mainly on video and audiotape) that reveals clearly that he has done the things we have pointed out - and that people have died as a result of his false claims!

That you accept him as a 'brother' is simply because you refuse to follow clear Biblical admonition to do any research and 'make sure of all things' (Acts 17v11; 1 Thessalonians 5v19-22).

Therefore to cling to the conviction that '
vultures are seeking to devour the servant of the Lord', when the truth is that the Holy Spirit is using His servants to expose heretics such as Hinn, means that any 'spirit of conviction' (find this in your Bible if you can - although a small 's' in 'spirit' would be entirely appropriate for those led by Hinn et al!) will certainly not be calling on anyone in TCE!

We have already amply pointed out that '
Ask[ing] the Lord  for guidance' when He has already clearly declared the path in His Word is foolish and sinful.

We love you too Lilia, but would it do any good if we detailed more of the horrendous problems that Hinn has with the truth, even regarding his supposed family history?

If not then there is certainly a very limited amount of time that we will be allocating to anything you write further.

In Christ Jesus, Almighty God, Eternal Father, and Saviour,

TCE

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Eventually even the 'gentlest Word-Faith disciple' delivers a Benny Hinn type judgement on those who expose the cult!

Lilia replies: 21st October, 2011 6:15PM

Dear ones !
We are waisting our time....If Benny would be your only target , I would understand your purpose..."All man's ways seem right to him, but the lord weighs the heart"-Prov. 21 There are things the Lord hates.....a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissention among brothers'"..Prov 6:19..." They will know you by the fruit"- are you a fruitful branch ?-Benny is...as a matter of fact he is coming to my city in November...all of us are looking forward to be in the Presence of the Lord...Benny is still teaching on TBN...I see you faces now...you do not like TBN....t.v. evangelists in your opinion such as names mentioned before are not exactly doctrinaly" sound" - they all happened to be my brothers in the Lord...nothing we can change about it...I have found you only through your accusations of my sister  Gwen Shaw, sarcastically describing her Walk with God..."End times Handmaidens"....You, probably ,insist on your rigteousness...let it be so...I respect your choice....As for me, my heart belongs to the One and Only- the Lover of my soul- my guide, my Comforter, my Healer, my Master : because of that I do not have to dig a hole for someone ,/I might fall myself into this hole/, yet love them and pray  ..."One Spirit, One Body, One Baptism...through the years I have learned so much by listening to their teaching....forever greatful for my  anointed teachers...You and me are standing on two opposite sides of the River of Life...Only the Judge , The Lion of The Tribe of Judah will one day point to the Truth..." the terrible day of the Lord....is coming soon...

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TCE replies: 27th October, 2011 10:31PM

Dear Lilia

sadly, as expected, you continue to react un-Biblically and it would seem we can only agree on two things:


  1.   you are 'waisting' [sic] our time;
  2.   Something seems to have clicked with you on Hinn - 'If Benny would be your only target ... I would understand your purpose...' - perhaps you reluctantly accept that he is actually responsible for at least some of the horrendous heresies, blasphemies, and deaths for which his ministry has been responsible?

But no, you promptly return to your false accusations and resultant misapplication of Scripture against us: '
There are things the Lord hates.....a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissention among brothers'"..Prov 6:19..."

You write:  'They will know you by the fruit"- are you a fruitful branch ?-Benny is...'

TCE:  our supplied Scriptural application proves the falseness of this claim, yet still you cling to the heretic whose 'fruit' is blatant lying, fake 'signs and wonders', occult necromancy - and the death of people who were not healed although he had declared that they were!  Jesus clearly warned against men such as the 'Word-Faith' heretics in Matthew 7:15-23 (see Josephine Melrose material etc. supplied earlier).

You write:  '...Benny is still teaching on TBN...I see you faces now...you do not like TBN....t.v. evangelists in your opinion such as names mentioned before are not exactly doctrinaly" sound"

TCE: as we have proven on our pages, TBN supports the heretics and charismaniacs of Word Faith (and allied deceptions) who are very far from 'doctrinaly" [sic] sound"'.

Interesting that you can accept such deceivers as your 'brothers in the Lord...' while continuing to repeat unproven accusations against us including the falsehood that we have made 'accusations of my sister  Gwen Shaw, sarcastically describing her Walk with God..."End times Handmaidens"....'.

Perhaps you can explain where you think we wrote these supposed accusations for, while it is true that she and the 'Handmaidens' are heretical, you have clearly confounded another exposé with our work!  Perhaps this also explains your failure to accurately check the facts we have supplied concerning the 'Word Faith' teachers.

Our 'rigteousness' [sic] is in Christ alone (Romans 5:17-21; 1 Corinthians 1:30; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 4:8; Titus 3:5) and nothing of ourselves.  Sadly, many of those who you so readily accept as 'brothers' and 'sisters' teach that they are 'little gods' and that the Lord Jesus Christ died 'spiritually' and was 'tortured by Satan in Hell' and they therefore deserve all the condemnation that they have heaped on themselves by teaching 'another Jesus' (2 Corinthians 11v4) and 'another gospel' (Galatians 1v6-9).


'Word-Faith' leaders also demonstrate un-Biblical judgmentalism which their disciples mimic - as here!

So your rambling 'dig a hole for someone' accusations fall on your own teachers and your judgmental claim that 'You and me are standing on two opposite sides of the River of Life...'cause us to doubt all your words of placation while we are content in the knowledge that the Biblical 'river of the water of life' is something we can trust Jesus for - as Scripture reveals:

Revelation 22:1-5 (NASB) - 1  Then he showed me
a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb, 2  in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.  3  There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him;  4  they will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads.  5  And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever. 

The evidence clearly shows that those trapped in the 'Word-Faith' cult follow the example of their leaders and point the finger at others without a shred of evidence to support their accusations and, sadly, you resort to this with your final threatening words: '
... the terrible day of the Lord....is coming soon...'.

We cannot rejoice for a second that you choose to bury your head in the sand and follow 'the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit' (Jude 19).  The whole emphasis of the teachers you have placed on such a high pedestal is to fulfil the role prophesied here:

2 Timothy 3:1-9 (NASB) - 1 
But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.  2  For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy,  3  unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good,  4  treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,  5  holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.  6  For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses,  7  always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.  8  Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith.  9  But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes's and Jambres's folly was also.

In Christ Jesus

TCE


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P.S.  Unfortunately many continue to choose to be deceived, but it is our prayer for you, Lilia, that you might yet follow the lead of one lady, Tricia Booth (née Tillin), who followed those you revere until her eyes were finally opened - go to http://www.banner.org.uk/wof/mytest.html to read her articles, such as her testimony and other material found from this link.


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