'Miscellaneous Questions'

11 - Beepbeep

27th May 2015

From: Beepbeep
Date: 27th May 2015
Subject: Ouija Board


Could it really have been my deceased pastor warning me to stop using the Ouija Board?!


I was looking for information on electromagnetic fields and Christianity and came across your page on occults: http://www.thechristianexpositor.org/page92.html

In the Ouija Board section, it says that the Ouija is controlled by demons, and all of the examples seem to point towards that. I don't disagree that the Ouija is dangerous. I remember my mother telling me never to mess with them.

However, when I was in high school at my boyfriends house, his mother and friends were using the Ouija. After being asked to participate multiple times and refusing, I finally said "ok". The person using it asked me if I know of anyone dead. At the time, the most recent that I could think of was a Bible believing pastor that died when I was in 5th grade. So, I told her his name. She "asked" the Ouija if we could talk to my pastor and it said that he was there. She asked it if there was anything he wanted to tell me. (we used it by both of us lightly putting 2 fingers on the slider) It spelled out slowly "T-H-I-S-I-S-E-V-I-L" and pushed off the board. At the time, I felt that it really was my pastor warning me to stop using the Ouija. Biblically, though, I'm not sure it could have been my pastor. Maybe even his mom and friends were playing a trick on me?

Do you have an opinion based on your experience?

Thanks!

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Former Satanist Jeff Harshbanger's testimony of how the Ouija Board led him into demonism and then Satanism!

Follow these links:


www.fillthevoid.org   The Gospel   CBN 700 Club Video of Jeff's testimony of how the Ouija Board led him into Satanism



King Saul's encounter with the witch at Endor reveals the outcome when Satan comes up against Almighty God!


TCE replies: 29th May 2015

Dear 'Beepbeep'

thank you for taking the time to contact us.

It is good to know that God has protected you despite your brief 'dabble' with the occult!

If you have read all of the article following the examination of 'ouija' boards (especially the material from Dr K.E. Koch) you should recognise the considerable variety of deception employed by Satan - but neutralised, or deflected, by God through the Power of His Holy Spirit, who will remain on earth until the latter stage of the (seemingly fast-approaching) End Times! 

2 Thessalonians 2:7 lets us know when the withdrawing of the Holy Spirit occurs:

'For the mystery of lawlessness doth already work: only there is One that restraineth now, until He be taken out of the way'.

There is only One who can restrain the mystery of lawlessness from the beginning until the end - the Holy Spirit. Once he removes the holding back "then the lawless one (the anti-Christ!) will be revealed".

Obedience to God is the highest good - Disobedience is the greatest evil!


The clear example of what occurs when the occult comes up against the Sovereign God is revealed by '
Saul's encounter with the witch at Endor':

When the Philistines went up to Jezreel (I Samuel 29:11), where Saul had been with the Israelite armies (29:1), he saw the advancing Philistine armies and moved his armies one more time over to Gilboa (28:4-5) and the Philistine lords saw this action and went beyond Jezreel to camp in Shunem. From Mount Gilboa, Saul could see, spread out in the distance, the vast number of men in the Philistine army and (v51), as a result,
"he was afraid, and his heart greatly trembled".  Never had he been in more need of divine guidance, though he had long since forfeited his anointing and no longer received any answer from the Lord by any of the prescribed routes, by Urim, or by prophets.  Saul gets a case of "foxhole religion."  He seeks to "inquire of the Lord" to learn what he should do to get himself out of the mess he is in.  In spite of numerous attempts to inquire of the Lord, every one of his efforts fail.  God is there, but He is silent.  Saul is in trouble, and yet he cannot obtain divine guidance that might be the key to his victory.  What will he do? The answer: he will do something he has never done before nor will ever do again.  In desperation he turned to his servants (v71) and demanded, "Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her."  We might question how these servants knew of her existence, since Saul had earlier banished mediums from the land (v3) as the law required, but they were probably as unfaithful as Israel had so often proved herself to be in the past and may have been consulting her themselves!  However, Saul no longer cared where his answers came from and if God would not answer him he would go to demons, for it no longer mattered to him and he was in fear for his life.  The problem is that, for once, Saul had done something right: "Saul had removed from the land those who were mediums and spiritists" (v3b3) - but was now contradicting his formerly correct action of obeying God.  This is truly amazing because, for once, it seems that Saul did something right but now, in the crunch of an imminent Philistine attack, Saul wishes he could locate a medium and do what the Old Testament law forbade ("'Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God'" - Leviticus 19:31; cf. Leviticus 20:6,27; Deuteronomy 18:10-14).  However, now the biggest obstacle in doing so is his own obedience which removed these people from the land.  Tragically, Saul now regrets doing one of the few things he seems to have done right.  On being informed that there was a medium living at Endor, about fifteen miles away, Saul disguised himself and made a secret journey, arriving by night to ask of her (v81): "Divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee."

The woman protested, fearing that this stranger might be a spy from King Saul, who had
"cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land."  The woman clearly knew the dangers and challenged this stranger (v91),  "Wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?"  Saul was so desperate that he made a solemn oath, promising that she would come to no harm, and then demanded, "Bring me up Samuel."  The woman did as Saul commanded, but even she was surprised, and cried out in terror, when Samuel actually appeared.  Many commentators have baulked at explaining this "ghostly appearance" but, if we follow the clear reasoning from Scripture and recognise the depth to which Saul had descended in his fall from grace, we will quickly surmise the reason for her terror.  We know that Samuel was a man of God because He had been a faithful prophet, judge, and priest in Israel. After his death, he would have gone to be with Abraham, across the great gulf from Hades, and would be residing in Abraham's bosom as Lazarus was later on (Luke 16:22).  It would have been impossible for a medium, a servant of Satan, to call up Samuel from the place called Paradise (Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 5:6-9; Philippians 1:23; Revelation 6:9; 20:4) and we have no examples in the whole of Scripture that would support the possibility of such a feat.  Therefore we can say confidently that the appearance of the genuine article, of Samuel himself, came as a great surprise to her because she was expecting her usual "familiar," a demon impersonating the character she was supposed to be consulting, and was therefore utterly shocked when the famous figure of Samuel appeared.  When she recognized Samuel and realized God was involved, she knew that something completely out of her control was afoot and then saw through Saul's disguise and cried out, "Why hast thou deceived me?  For thou art Saul".  After again reassuring her, he asked for a description of what she had seen.  She replied, "I saw gods ascending out of the earth," and "an old man cometh up, and he is covered with a mantle" (v14).  We have little previous evidence to guide us in describing this appearance but knowing that this witch, and Satan himself, had no power to return Samuel to earth, we can reason that God himself had summoned the prophet to make one last appearance to Saul to bring the final statement to him on earth, one that his disobedience had earned.  Saul knew it was Samuel and fell on his face "in homage" and poured out his heart in fear and terror (v153) to the displeased Samuel: "Then Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am greatly distressed; for the Philistines are waging war against me, and God has departed from me and answers me no more, either through prophets or by dreams; therefore I have called you, that you may make known to me what I should do."

Can we believe that Saul really expected the good counsel he had received during the early years of relative innocence? Clearly not, for Samuel's final message from God was uncompromisingly blunt - He was silent because He has
"departed from thee, and is become thine enemy."  Then he reviewed the reasons (v 17-181):  "The Lord hath done ... as he spake by me: for the Lord hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even David: Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the Lord, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the Lord done this thing unto thee this day".  Saul had his word from God but, tragically for him, it was not a good word and Samuel continued (v19): "Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the Lord also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines."

We should not take this statement to mean that Saul would necessarily be in the bliss of Abraham's bosom but, rather, that he would die and go to the grave (Hebrew, sheol) on the following day.  This encounter with the witch at Endor was Saul's fourth tragic sin and, according to I Chronicles 10:133, it was an additional reason for his rejection by God:

13  So Saul died for his trespass which he committed against the Lord, because of the word of the Lord which he did not keep; and also because he asked counsel of a medium, making inquiry of it, 14  and did not inquire of the Lord. Therefore He killed him, and turned the kingdom to David the son of Jesse.

But God delights in man's obedience, more than in his sacrifices.  Obedience to God is the highest good.  Disobedience therefore is the greatest evil.
 
When Saul heard Samuel's words he fainted, for the combination of fatigue, hunger (for he had not eaten all day or night, v20), and terror, were too much for him. When he had been revived, the woman, either in pity or out of relief at being spared, insisted on feeding him (v 21-221): "
I have put my life in thy hand, . . . Now therefore, I pray thee, hearken thou also unto the voice of thine handmaid, and let me set a morsel of bread before thee, and eat, that thou mayest have strength, when thou goest on thy way."  At the urging of the witch and his servants, Saul reluctantly ate the meal she prepared from a fatted calf and baked bread.  Like a murderer on death row, Saul ate his last meal but, again to his shame, he took his "last supper" from the hand of a servant of Beelzebub (Satan!).  Forty years earlier Saul was a promising young ruler and a marvellous physical specimen who stood head and shoulders above his fellow-Israelites (9:1-2).  He started his military career liberating the people of Jabesh-gilead by decisively defeating the Ammonites (Chapter 11).  How then did things go so wrong for Saul, so that he ends up trembling mass on the floor of a forbidden medium?  The answer according to Samuel is quite simple - disobedience.  Saul's first major failure was at Gilgal, where he failed to wait for Samuel to offer the sacrifices, as he was instructed to do (see 10:7-8).  Rather than wait for Samuel to offer the sacrifices and then tell him what he should do (for divine guidance), Saul had gone ahead and offered the sacrifice himself.  Saul seemed to think men's sacrifices are what God most values, even if it means disobeying Him to do so.  Samuel sees it in exactly the opposite way.  But God delights in man's obedience, more than in his sacrifices.  Obedience to God is the highest good.  Disobedience therefore is the greatest evil.  Does Saul suppose God will look favourably on the disobedience which made such sacrifices possible?  He will not.  In fact, God looks upon such rebellion as the sin of divination, and upon insubordination as iniquity and idolatry.  When we look back at 1 Samuel 15:22-23, in the light of 1 Samuel 28:3, and in Saul's partial obedience in ridding the land of the Amalekites, we see the magnitude of his sin in partially obeying God is that it is the same as the sin of witchcraft and so Samuel's words of rebuke in chapter 15 infer that if Saul's disobedience and rebellion is not repented of it will actually lead to witchcraft and idolatry and Samuel is prophesying that Saul will be guilty of the very "sins" he has just condemned by removing the mediums and spiritists.  Finally, we see this to be true and Saul finished his "condemned man's last meal" and made the long night journey back to his troops to face the Philistines, who attacked at dawn, and we know (1 Samuel 31:1-6) that Saul met his doom as Samuel had predicted.

We see, in the life and death of Saul, a microcosm, a miniature version of Israel's history!


As we read this story of Saul's humiliation in the home of the witch of En-dor, we should not consider this to be an unusual and bizarre situation, but rather to be "the norm," for Saul is a living demonstration of "the rule," rather than "the exception" and a kind of prototype of the nation Israel (cf. Isaiah 6; 29:10; Jeremiah 21; Ezekiel 14, 20).  We see, in the life and death of Saul, a microcosm, a miniature version of Israel's history.  Saul, like Israel, was not chosen because of a high standing position but in spite of the fact that he was of less than noble stock (cf. Deuteronomy 7:7-8; 1 Samuel 9:21; 10:22; 15:17).  Like the nation Israel, God raised up Saul to
"utterly destroy" the Canaanite nations (cf. Deuteronomy 7:1-2; 1 Samuel 15:1-3).  Saul, like the nation Israel, was to trust in God and keep His commandments, and not to imitate the heathen (cf. Deuteronomy 7:2-5, 9-16; 1 Samuel 15:20-23).  But, like Israel, God would destroy Saul for his flagrant, consistent rebellion (cf. Deuteronomy 7:4; 1 Chronicles 10:13-14).

In your experience it appears clear to us that the Holy Spirit over-ruled the demon(s) working through the ouija board and, although you requested your pastor to answer, it seems unlikely that God would allow him to answer (if he could have answered, or written, wouldn't he have confirmed his reply with his name?).  Samuel's appearance is an example of Sovereign acts by God to demonstrate His control and power over every situation - another example of such an act is found in Luke 9:27-36 when Moses and Elijah were allowed to appear to mere men to demonstrate that He is the God who has all control over Life and Death:

'But I tell you of a truth, There are some of them that stand here, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God. And it came to pass about eight days after these sayings, that he took with him Peter and John and James, and went up into the mountain to pray. And as he was praying, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment became white and dazzling.
And behold, there talked with him two men, who were Moses and Elijah; who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he was about to accomplish at Jerusalem. Now Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: but when they were fully awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him. And it came to pass, as they were parting from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah: not knowing what he said. And while he said these things, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud. And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my Son, my chosen: hear ye him. And when the voice came, Jesus was found alone. And they held their peace, and told no man in those days any of the things which they had seen'.

We apologise for the lengthy reply but rejoice in the power of our Mighty God and Saviour who does all things Perfectly!

We will be praying for you and trusting that you have repented for this brief 'dabble' and, whatever your degree of faith, you will be strengthened daily.

Be warned that even 'strong' Christians [we are only as strong as our fellowship with the Holy Spirit who leads us 'into all truth' (John 16v7ff.)] can be harmed by deliberately choosing to 'dabble' with the occult - just as king Saul found.  But be assured that those Christians (and other innocents) who, through youth or ignorance, make such a mistake will be protected (and forgiven on repentance)!

The old saying about the Holy Spirit 'not filling a dirty vessel' is very true and responsible for some who were considered 'Spirit filled born-again Christians' by their contemporaries to become oppressed and even possessed!

'Nominal' Christians and, particularly, 'Once Saved, Always Saved' adherents try to claim that this could not possibly happen to such a Christian but forget the example of the occultist Simon Magus who was given the opportunity to believe and be saved (Acts 8:9-24):

'But there was a certain man, Simon by name, who beforetime in the city used
sorcery, and amazed the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: to whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is that power of God which is called Great. And they gave heed to him, because that of long time he had amazed them with his sorceries. But when they believed Philip preaching good tidings concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. And Simon also himself believed: and being baptized, he continued with Philip; and beholding signs and great miracles wrought, he was amazed. Now when the apostles that were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Spirit: for as yet it was fallen upon none of them: only they had been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. Now when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money, saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay my hands, he may receive the Holy Spirit. But Peter said unto him, Thy silver perish with thee, because thou hast thought to obtain the gift of God with money. Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right before God. Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray the Lord, if perhaps the thought of thy heart shall be forgiven thee. For I see that thou art in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity. And Simon answered and said, Pray ye for me to the Lord, that none of the things which ye have spoken come upon me.'

As you can read (on
this page):

'occultists such as Simon Magus were given the opportunity to believe and be saved (Acts 8:9-24), but he chose to return to his old occultic ways (The Epistle of Ignatius; Irenaeus against Heresies, Chapter 23: Doctrines and practices of Simon Magus and Menander; Chapter 27: Doctrines of Cerdo and Marcion).  It is necessary to deal with any type of evil spirit influencing our life prior to accepting Christ, and these problems are usually dealt with at the time of confessing all past sin and accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour of your life - it really is that easy for most people!'

Simon Magus (the text clearly says '
Simon also himself believed: and [was] baptized') was guilty of deliberate and wilful occult practices - after his act of faith and obedience - which is hopefully very different from your brief experience.

Incidentally, if anyone reading this thinks that someone was 'faking' the ouija board message to have a laugh at your expense, consider the facts:  While it is possible for fakers to reproduce messages (as spiritualists and mediums do to this day - ref. the work of James Randi
et al in exposing such frauds), don't you think they would have enjoyed letting you in on such a joke at your expense?  Otherwise it is simply not a joke!  All of the spoofing/pranking on TV and in films relies on the 'clever prankster' letting you know that you've been taken in and that you are the joke.............and the world still desperately clings to the hope that Christians have been fooled in a similar way.  But the evidence for our Saviour and His death and resurrection is overwhelming and over 500 witnesses testified to that eternal truth (1 Corinthians 15:1-11)!  We can be certain that no one in Hell will be laughing at anything.

We would advise all Christians to try and read through the Bible at least once a year and seek

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She "asked" the Ouija if we could talk to my pastor and it said that he was there. She asked it if there was anything he wanted to tell me. (we used it by both of us lightly putting 2 fingers on the slider) It spelled out slowly "T-H-I-S-I-S-E-V-I-L" and pushed off the board. At the time, I felt that it really was my pastor warning me to stop using the Ouija. Biblically, though, I'm not sure it could have been my pastor. Maybe even his mom and friends were playing a trick on me?

TCE:  Therefore we can say confidently that the appearance of the genuine article, of Samuel himself, came as a great surprise to her because she was expecting her usual "familiar," a demon impersonating the character she was supposed to be consulting, and was therefore utterly shocked when the famous figure of Samuel appeared.  When she recognized Samuel and realized God was involved, she knew that something completely out of her control was afoot and then saw through Saul's disguise and cried out, "Why hast thou deceived me?  For thou art Saul".  After again reassuring her, he asked for a description of what she had seen.  She replied, "I saw gods ascending out of the earth," and "an old man cometh up, and he is covered with a mantle" (v14).  We have little previous evidence to guide us in describing this appearance but knowing that this witch, and Satan himself, had no power to return Samuel to earth, we can reason that God himself had summoned the prophet to make one last appearance to Saul to bring the final statement to him on earth, one that his disobedience had earned.  Saul knew it was Samuel and fell on his face "in homage" and poured out his heart in fear and terror (v153) to the displeased Samuel: "Then Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am greatly distressed; for the Philistines are waging war against me, and God has departed from me and answers me no more, either through prophets or by dreams; therefore I have called you, that you may make known to me what I should do."

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