58. Beware those who ignorantly chant the New Age mantra - 'All You Need Is Love' - and despise Scripture!
Mrs Ruth Nelmes: Yes, I just feel that when David came and took the microphone I do feel that for many reasons this verse came to my mind - and this concerns me greatly: 'If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.' And I'm sorry, I just sound very concerned that we see David has taken this microphone and quoted Scripture after Scripture to us, but personally, as just a normal housewife and mother of this church, I was appalled by receiving this letter early in December. I felt that it was a letter that was not written in love whether there was valid points in it or not. It was purely un-Scripturally written and I do feel that, at the very least, we could have been given an apology by David tonight. For the fact that he could acknowledge that he'd gone about this in a very un-Scriptural way and has caused a lot of us a lot of distress and unnecessary heartache at the coming of this church up to the Christmas period. And also putting no less than Roger and Sue through a huge amount of stress. I'm not taking sides in this - I know that there are other issues involved - and I completely agree with what Kevin has said. I think that it is very evident that this church - underneath - is chasms apart, and those things need to be addressed tonight. But I just ask that those of you who perhaps don't know your Bible very well, please do not be over-impressed by people who can quote Scripture - when it's very evident that they don't have love in their heart.
[First we notice Ruth relies a lot on 'feelings' - she repeatedly relies on: 'I felt ' and 'I do feel', and these are the sum total of her methods of determining truth - 'I felt that it . . . was not written in love.' In her naivety she then clutches at a single well known Bible verse to support her feelings! A little experience in reading her Bible and observing deception in the world would have taught her that 'feelings' are NEVER the criteria by which we judge truth - but they are the criteria used by the Mormon cult and other deceivers, such as Roger Wheelhouse, to determine the truth! No wonder the Mormons think they are Christians, and the fastest growing Christian group in the world - they are using the same criteria as ignorant Christians in the true church today! The Mormons would happily use 1 Corinthians 13 in the same manner and then whinge, 'You don't show love when you criticize us.' While they do this they forget the disgusting and abominable things their own leaders said and did long before any Christian church stood up to oppose the deception of their leaders. Ruth forgets that, when she accuses others of lacking love, she points the finger back at herself and the Wheelhouse's. Read this whole text thoroughly and try and find one scrap of evidence to support the way in which the Wheelhouse's treated many Christians in the church. Did Roy James or the deacons offend Roger - other than to try and question his sermons and methods? Try and prove the allegations of his faction! Roy James and the deacons erred in complaining about the false doctrine and practices of the Wheelhouse's and then trying to sweep everything under the carpet, which is as effective as Eli failing to discipline his sons, Hophni and Phineas, who are described as 'sons of Belial,' that is, worthless men. God warned Eli through prophets and what did he say? Essentially the same as the Baptist Union and Calvary Baptist Church about Wheelhouse! Instead of falling on his face in repentance in dust and ashes before God, and then taking his sons before the people so that they could be stoned to death, Eli said (1 Samuel 3v18): 'It is the Lord, let him do what seemeth him good.' Today we have the same kind of spineless jellyfish as Eli! This is how sin rebounds on others and causes even more hurt than the original sin. It is ludicrous to compare a damaged Christmas celebration (which we warned the church about anyway - see the accompanying letter to the church, above) with a continuing God-dishonouring ministry.
In response to the charge that 'it's very evident that they don't have love in their heart' - after noting that this was arrived at by Ruth and others in Calvary Baptist Church by feelings, not by facts or by Biblical truth - I would say first that, as Christians, we are to love one another genuinely and to seek unity. However, I would remind people that it is the 'unity of the faith' that we are to maintain, and it is God's truth that we are to speak in love. Ruth also forgets that we followed Scripture (and as Roger Wheelhouse advised!) when we wrote (Page 7): 'In love, we command you to stop preaching your heretical view of the law which you expounded in October!'
If we have said anything that is untrue then prove it, for nothing was proven against the facts in our letter in this laughable meeting! It is written (1 Thessalonians 5:19-22):
Do not quench the Spirit; 20 do not despise prophetic utterances. 21 But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; 22 abstain from every form of evil.
To fail to examine the facts to determine the truth is not to show love for God or our neighbour, for Jesus said He was 'the way, the truth and the life' (John 14:6). If you refuse to examine the facts that determine the truth, but draw your conclusions from feelings, are you any better than the Mormons who use feelings derived from a false occultic test to arrive at their truth? Failing to love the truth is a failure to love Jesus - who called Himself 'the Truth' - that is how serious this refusal to examine the facts becomes.
As is the habit of Satan, cultists, and the ignorant or immature, the tendency to partially quote Scripture also speaks volumes. Ruth quoted the first two verses of 1 Corinthians 13, but omitted the verses which could have led her to another conclusion (1 Corinthians 13:3-13):
3 And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I deliver my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind, and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. 11 When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I shall know fully just as I also have been fully known. 13 But now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
Faith, hope, and love are irreversibly intertwined. Faith and hope in anything less than 100% truth is worthless and loving anything that is not based on God's Word of truth is dangerously un-Scriptural! Jesus said we were to hate our family, our old life, to be His disciple (Luke 14:26). The church today rather loves the world!
The testimony of the flock at Calvary Baptist Church is that Roger Wheelhouse failed in love in every attribute of verses 4-6. We are called to judge righteously:
Deuteronomy 1:16: 'Then I charged your judges at that time, saying, 'Hear the cases between your fellow countrymen, and judge righteously between a man and his fellow countryman, or the alien who is with him.'
Proverbs 31:9 Open your mouth, judge righteously, And defend the rights of the afflicted and needy.
When did Wheelhouse or the deacons 'defend the rights of the afflicted and needy'? When did they stand to prevent the abuse of Peter, Frances, Bonnie, Eddie, Alison, or any of the others? By the end of this text I believe anyone reading with an open mind will see that the many witnesses to this ministry refused to judge righteously, but judged ignorantly or arrogantly and on the basis of their own 'feelings,' refusing to believe that they were wrong to vote for this man. Because of this they were like Eli, and the people who partook of the sins of his sons, Hophni and Phineas, and they also spurned the instruction from Jesus:
John 7:24: 'Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment'
If members of the Body have erred, then we must in love correct them, but we must be firm in our decisions - not something you could often call the indecisive British church of today! When do we know whether someone loves God, loves his brother in Christ, or loves his enemies? Scripture is clear on this:
2 Chronicles 19:2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him and said to King Jehoshaphat, 'Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the LORD and so bring wrath on yourself from the LORD?'
Psalm 4:2 O sons of men, how long will my honor become a reproach? How long will you love what is worthless and aim at deception? Selah.
Psalms 97:10 Hate evil, you who love the LORD, Who preserves the souls of His godly ones; He delivers them from the hand of the wicked.
Beware those who show they despise God's Word
Did Wheelhouse display love of God's Word and Law?:
Psalms 119:97 O how I love Thy law! It is my meditation all the day.
Psalms 119:113 I hate those who are double-minded, But I love Thy law.
What do the testimonies at this church meeting show? Double-mindedness, or an honest seeking after the truth?
Psalms 119:119 Thou hast removed all the wicked of the earth like dross; Therefore I love Thy testimonies.
Psalms 119:127 Therefore I love Thy commandments Above gold, yes, above fine gold.
Psalms 119:163 I hate and despise falsehood, But I love Thy law.
When Christians fail to act to discipline those who are supposedly speaking and carrying His authority on earth, what does God think of those who tolerate such action?:
Jeremiah 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, And the priests rule on their own authority; And My people love it so!
Will God continue to love those who despise and hate His law and who claim it makes people 'ten times worse'?
Hosea 9:15 All their evil is at Gilgal; Indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels.
If God hates this evil how can we declare that we have any love for it and those who peddle error? What are we to hate - and what are we to love?:
Amos 5:15 Hate evil, love good, And establish justice in the gate! Perhaps the LORD God of hosts May be gracious to the remnant of Joseph.
Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God?
Zechariah 8:19 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'The fast of the fourth, the fast of the fifth, the fast of the seventh, and the fast of the tenth months will become joy, gladness, and cheerful feasts for the house of Judah; so love truth and peace.'
3 John 1:1 The elder to the beloved Gaius, whom I love in truth.
If we love our enemies does this mean we can allow false doctrine, and evil treatment of Christians to continue unabated and undisciplined?:
Matthew 5:43 'You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR, and hate your enemy.' 44 'But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you.' 46 'For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax-gatherers do the same?'
Matthew 22:37 And He said to him, ''YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' 39 'The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'
Luke 6:27 "But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you …
John 14:15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me; and he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I will love him, and will disclose Myself to him." 23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our abode with him. 24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me.
If you fail to follow Jesus' words, keep his commandments, and honour His Word at all times, even though this may force you "to stand there with a piece of paper . . . and read it word for word," do you love God, and treat him "lightly" or "heavily," Richard Lewis? If you fail to fully preach the gospel that saves and ally yourself to Roman Catholicism, which preaches "another gospel" (Galatians 1:6-9) that cannot save and sends your neighbour to Hell, is that showing love to your neighbour and to God and His truth?:
John 15:12 "This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. 13 "Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. 17 "This I command you, that you love one another."
What does turning a blind eye to injustice and truth make you?:
Romans 12:9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil; cling to what is good.
How are we to speak the truth?:
Ephesians 4:15 'speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him, who is the head, even Christ,
Ephesians 6:24 Grace be with all those who love our Lord Jesus Christ with a love incorruptible.
Philippians 1:9 And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in real knowledge and all discernment.
How accurate is this truth to be? Is it really alright to preach with the possibility of error creeping into our text or speech, as Richard Lewis claimed, or do we aim for 100% accuracy so that our truth and behaviour is 'the truth which accords with godliness' (Titus 1:1).
As I wrote earlier, these are the tests to apply to the deceiver, the 'prophet' or leader who is pre-occupied with his own ego-trip and self-glorification! If any brought 'another gospel' Paul did not mince words and declared, 'If anyone … does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching which accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit, he knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4).
Again, Paul warns of the conceit displayed by those who believe that anything other than 'sound words' should be taught to Christians. If we love worldly things and the ways of the world, what does that say about us?:
1 John 2:15 Do not love the world, nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
What does Scripture say of the man who declares to a brother in Christ, as Roger Wheelhouse did when he told Peter King: "You're the most evil man I've ever met"? Since we are instructed to "love good and hate evil" (Amos 5:15), is such a man showing love or hate?:
1 John 3:10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another; 18 Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth.
1 John 4:8 The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
1 John 4:20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. 21 And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.
Jude 1:12 These men are those who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted;
I refer you again to Paul (who we are 'to imitate as he imitates Christ') who stated clearly, in the disciplinary action he demanded in 1 Corinthians 4:14-21:
'18 Now some have become arrogant, as though I were not coming to you. 19 But I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I shall find out, not the words of those who are arrogant, but their power. 20 For the kingdom of God does not consist in words, but in power. 21 What do you desire? Shall I come to you with a rod or with love and a spirit of gentleness? I exhort you therefore, be imitators of me.'
He gives the choice of 'a rod OR love and a spirit of gentleness!' Calvary Baptist Church and the Baptist Union arrogantly chose to reject the discipline described in the Word of God and acted with cowardice, not with '(God's) love and a spirit of gentleness' while Wheelhouse wreaked devastation in fellowships. A rod was necessary and is Scriptural (Proverbs 13v24) - surely we remember how Jesus drove the money-changers out of the temple with a whip of cords (John 2:15)! Try to find a verse in the Old Testament or New Testament in which anyone bringing discipline from God displayed words of love and compassion when they addressed the guilty party or parties. Search your Bible! Jesus had strong words for those who strain gnats while disregarding love of God and His justice (Luke 11:42-43):
"But woe to you Pharisees! For you pay tithe of mint and rue and every kind of garden herb, and yet disregard justice and the love of God; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others. 43 "Woe to you Pharisees! For you love the front seats in the synagogues, and the respectful greetings in the market places.
We should treat all deceivers in God's way if they will not repent or go quietly, for it is perfectly obvious that the Wheelhouse perpetrated this garbage in other churches before and people who contacted us confirm that he was a known 'bully' before he came to Cardiff. Others have also suffered under this heretic and other deceivers like them!
After the Corinthian church had administered discipline against the man who was living with his father's wife (1 Corinthians 5), we read later that he was re-instated with love when Paul writes (2 Corinthians 2:5-11):
"5 But if any has caused sorrow, he has caused sorrow not to me, but in some degree--in order not to say too much--to all of you. 6 Sufficient for such a one is this punishment which was inflicted by the majority, 7 so that on the contrary you should rather forgive and comfort him, lest somehow such a one be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. 8 Wherefore I urge you to reaffirm your love for him. 9 For to this end also I wrote that I might put you to the test, whether you are obedient in all things. 10 But whom you forgive anything, I forgive also; for indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, I did it for your sakes in the presence of Christ, 11 in order that no advantage be taken of us by Satan; for we are not ignorant of his schemes."
This would also be the pattern if those who had insulted God and trampled on His people repented of their deeds. Jesus puts loving discipline in very clear words when discussing the Seven Churches (Revelation 3:19): 'Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; be zealous therefore, and repent. We will see by the end of this account whether repentance was the reaction of those who had been reproved and disciplined, or whether those who fulfil the words of Jude are allowed to abound in the Baptist Union:
Jude 14: And about these also Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, 15 to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him." 16 These are grumblers, finding fault, following after their own lusts; they speak arrogantly, flattering people for the sake of gaining an advantage. 17 But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, 18 that they were saying to you, "In the last time there shall be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts." 19 These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit.
We knew we were going to be asked how much we loved the people of Calvary (1 Corinthians 13). Did we put our heads on the chopping block out of love for the fellowship or because we hate Roger Wheelhouse, as some people asked in this meeting? In a portion of this tape which was edited out I replied to this question, for I do not hate the sinner but the sin, and deacon Peter Smith shouted out at me (from what he thought was the safety of the crowd): 'Oh, he's so self-righteous!' I would ask such people: Do you want the church to base itself on Scripture or the varieties of the Baptist Union and the foolish ways of men which were thoroughly demonstrated in this meeting?
To appeal 'to those of you who perhaps don't know your Bible very well', as if you have some great Gnosis, and then to have to fall back on 'please do not be over-impressed by people who can quote Scripture - when it's very evident that they don't have love in their heart', while resorting to the mis-application of one verse of Scripture, does indeed display a great immaturity in Bible knowledge. Those who display an emotional love without knowledge or discernment demonstrate that they neither love God or His Word. I was totally confident that Kevin Dare would not object to Ruth's statement, despite his earlier assertion of my 'immature' Bible knowledge, for double standards abound in these situations.]