'Replies from Word-Faith'

Pastor Jeff Schrick - 12

16th May, 2006

Received: 16th May 2006
From:  Pastor Jeff Schrick, Willing Vessel Ministries
Subject:  To whom it may concern

I am writing this in reponse to your web site.

1 Chr 16:22 Saying, Touch not My anointed, and do My prophets no harm.

Accuser of the brethren.

2 Tim 3:3 [They will be] without natural [human] affection (callous and inhuman), relentless (admitting of no truce or appeasement); [they will be] slanderers (false accusers, troublemakers), intemperate {and} loose in morals {and} conduct, uncontrolled {and} fierce, haters of good.

It never ceases to amaze me of the ignorance of many claiming to be doing the work of the Lord, but only opening mouth and inserting their obviously very large feet. When it comes to the Divinci Code, the devil couldn't take Jesus out when he couldn't keep Him in the grave. For the Word says that Jesus defeated; hell, death, and the grave. He couldn't do it then and he isn't going to do it now. If Satan had the power which he doesn't, he would have done something about it long ago. The only power the devil has is what we put in his hands.

I am going to use a simple tool afforded me by God, the Bible to show that these accusers are nothing more then people planted by the enemy to try and stop the message that Jesus preached. I will also point out the the words faith and belief, believe, believing are synonymous terms, used interchangeably in the Bible. Therefore you will see that in the end, these folk who try and stop the so called faith movement, In reality are going against the Word of God, and what Jesus taught.

Heb 11:6 But without
faith it is impossible to please {and} be satisfactory to Him. For whoever would come near to God must [necessarily] believe that God exists and that He is the rewarder of those who earnestly {and} diligently seek Him [out].

James 1:5 If any of you is deficient in wisdom, let him ask of the giving God [Who gives] to everyone liberally {and} ungrudgingly, without reproaching {or} faultfinding, and it will be given him.

James 1:6 Only it must be in
faith that he asks with no wavering (no hesitating, no doubting). For the one who wavers (hesitates, doubts) is like the billowing surge out at sea that is blown hither {and} thither and tossed by the wind.

James is saying here that the one who vacillates between two positions is unpleasing to God. To suggest that the Faith message we teach is an unbiblical teaching is ludicrous, seeing how serious God feels about it. Look at the Scripture for yourself, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the ink on the page. Everything that we hope for in the Lord in based on our faith in what He did for us. I have a tendency to get a little upset when these people spend so much energy condemning in the name of the Lord. Jesus was concerned for the lost, and apparently if we were teaching wrong, then I would see that as a form of being lost and instead of these so called people helping in love, The God kind of Love, it looks to me like they are trying to kick these mighty vessels to the curb. We teach how to be pleasing to God by faith and how He says to obtain from Him by faith, and they are teaching????

FYI: Faith Works by Love.

James 1:7 For truly, let not such a person imagine that he will receive anything [he asks for] from the Lord,
James 1:8 [For being as he is] a man of two minds (hesitating, dubious, irresolute), [he is] unstable {and} unreliable {and} uncertain about everything [he thinks, feels, decides].

James says that the man that wavers, (bounces between belief and unbelief/ faith and faithlessness) is not to think that he will receive anything from the Lord, that double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

We can see in Hebrews 11:6 without
faith it is impossible to please God.

I didn't say it, the Bible says it. When we approach God in prayer, we already have to be in the believing mode, before we even ask.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ (the Messiah) is [always] the same, yesterday, today, [yes] and forever (to the ages).

God has not changed His mind. Jesus taught the faith message, we will teach the faith message.

Matt 17:17 And Jesus answered, O you unbelieving (warped, wayward, rebellious) and thoroughly perverse generation! How long am I to remain with you? How long am I to bear with you? Bring him here to Me. Matt 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of him, and the boy was cured instantly.Matt 17:19 Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked privately, Why could we not drive it out?
Matt 17:20 He said to them, Because of the littleness of your
faith [that is, your lack of firmly relying trust]. For truly I say to you, if you have faith [that is living] like a grain of mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, Move from here to yonder place, and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

Wait a minute I thought Jesus was talking about unbelieving in Matt.17:17, but He ends up talking about the littleness of their faith.

Matt 21:22 And whatever you ask for in prayer, having
faith {and} [really] believing, you will receive.
Mark 9:19 And He answered them, O
unbelieving generation [without any faith]! How long shall I [have to do] with you? How long am I to bear with you? Bring him to Me.

In other words, how many times am I gonna have to go over this with you? Bring him to me, I am going to show you one more time pay attention.

Mark 9:20 So they brought [the boy] to Him, and when the spirit saw Him, at once it completely convulsed the boy, and he fell to the ground and kept rolling about, foaming [at the mouth].Mark 9:21 And [Jesus] asked his father, How long has he had this? And he answered, From the time he was a little boy.Mark 9:22 And it has often thrown him both into fire and into water, intending to kill him. But if You can do anything, do have pity on us and help us.Mark 9:23 And Jesus said, [You say to Me], If You can do anything? [Why,] all things can be (are possible) to him who
believes!Mark 9:24 At once the father of the boy gave [an eager, piercing, inarticulate] cry {with tears,} and he said, Lord, I believe! [Constantly] help my weakness of faith!

Luke 9:41 Jesus answered, O [
faithless ones] unbelieving {and} without trust in God, a perverse (wayward, crooked and warped) generation! Until when {and} how long am I to be with you and bear with you? Bring your son here [to Me].

John 3:36 And he who
believes in (has faith in, clings to, relies on) the Son has (now possesses) eternal life. But whoever disobeys (is unbelieving toward, refuses to trust in, disregards, is not subject to) the Son will never see (experience) life, but [instead] the wrath of God abides on him. [God's displeasure remains on him; His indignation hangs over him continually.]

John 12:44 But Jesus loudly declared, The one who
believes in Me does not [only] believe in {and} trust in {and} rely on Me, but [in believing in Me he believes] in Him Who sent Me. (Believing looks to be VERY important, Or is it Faith? Maybe one and the same?)

John 20:31 But these are written (recorded) in order that you may
believe that Jesus is the Christ (the Anointed One), the Son of God, and that through believing {and} cleaving to {and} trusting {and} relying upon Him you may have life through (in) His name [through Who He is].

Acts 14:2 But the
unbelieving Jews [who rejected their message] aroused the Gentiles and embittered their minds against the brethren.

Acts 17:5 But the
unbelieving Jews were aroused to jealousy, and, getting hold of some wicked men (ruffians and rascals) and loungers in the marketplace, they gathered together a mob, set the town in an uproar, and attacked the house of Jason, seeking to bring [Paul and Silas] out to the people.

Acts 19:9 But when some became more and more stubborn (hardened and
unbelieving), discrediting {and} reviling {and} speaking evil of the Way [of the Lord] before the congregation, he separated himself from them, taking the disciples with him, and went on holding daily discussions in the lecture room of Tyrannus {from about ten o'clock till three}.

Acts 24:14 But this I confess to you, however, that in accordance with the Way [of the Lord], which they call a [heretical, division-producing] sect, I worship (serve) the God of our fathers, still persuaded of the truth of {and}
believing in {and} placing full confidence in everything laid down in the Law [of Moses] {or} written in the prophets;

Rom 3:22 Namely, the righteousness of God which comes by
believing {with} personal trust {and} confident reliance on Jesus Christ (the Messiah). [And it is meant] for all who believe. For there is no distinction,

Rom 11:5 So too at the present time there is a remnant (a small
believing minority), selected (chosen) by grace (by God's unmerited favor and graciousness).

Rom 15:13 May the God of your hope so fill you with all joy and peace in
believing [through the experience of your faith] that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound {and} be overflowing (bubbling over) with hope.

1 Cor 3:17 If anyone does hurt to God's temple {or} corrupts it [with false doctrines] {or} destroys it, God will do hurt to him {and} bring him to the corruption of death {and} destroy him. For the temple of God is holy (sacred to Him) and that [temple] you [
the believing church and its individual believers] are.

1 Cor 14:22 Thus [unknown] tongues are meant for a [supernatural] sign, not for believers but for
unbelievers [on the point of believing], while prophecy (inspired preaching and teaching, interpreting the divine will and purpose) is not for unbelievers [on the point of believing] but for believers.

Gal 3:2 Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the [Holy] Spirit as the result of obeying the Law {and} doing its works, or was it by hearing [the message of the Gospel] and
believing [it]? [Was it from observing a law of rituals or from a message of faith?]

Gal 3:5 Then does He Who supplies you with His marvelous [Holy] Spirit and works powerfully {and} miraculously among you do so on [the grounds of your doing] what the Law demands, or because of your
believing in {and} adhering to {and} trusting in {and} relying on the message that you heard?

Gal 3:9 So then,
those who are people of faith are blessed {and} made happy {and} favored by God [as partners in fellowship] with the believing {and} trusting Abraham.

Eph 2:2 In which at one time you walked [habitually]. You were following the course {and} fashion of this world [were under the sway of the tendency of this present age], following the prince of the power of the air. [You were obedient to and under the control of] the [demon] spirit that still constantly works in the sons of disobedience [the careless, the rebellious, and the
unbelieving, who go against the purposes of God].

Phil 1:25 Since I am convinced of this, I know that I shall remain and stay by you all, to promote your progress and joy in

Col 1:2 To the saints (the consecrated people of God) and
believing {and} faithful brethren in Christ who are at Colossae: Grace (spiritual favor and blessing) to you and [heart] peace from God our Father.

1 Tim 5:16 If any
believing woman {or believing man} has [relatives or persons in the household who are] widows, let him relieve them; let the church not be burdened [with them], so that it may [be free to] assist those who are truly widows (those who are all alone and are dependent).

1 Tim 6:2 Let those who have
believing masters not be disrespectful {or} scornful [to them] on the grounds that they are brothers [in Christ]; rather, they should serve [them all the better] because those who benefit by their kindly service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these duties.

Titus 1:15 To the pure [in heart and conscience] all things are pure, but to the defiled {and} corrupt and
unbelieving nothing is pure; their very minds and consciences are defiled {and} polluted.

Titus 1:16 They profess to know God [to recognize, perceive, and be acquainted with Him], but deny {and} disown {and} renounce Him by what they do; they are detestable {and} loathsome,
unbelieving {and} disobedient {and} disloyal {and} rebellious, and [they are] unfit {and} worthless for good work (deed or enterprise) of any kind.

Heb 3:12 [Therefore beware] brethren, take care, lest there be in any one of you a wicked,
unbelieving heart [which refuses to cleave to, trust in, and rely on Him], leading you to turn away {and} desert {or} stand aloof from the living God.

Rev 21:8 But as for the cowards {and} the ignoble {and} the contemptible {and} the cravenly lacking in courage {and} the cowardly submissive, and as for the
unbelieving and faithless, and as for the depraved and defiled with abominations, and as for murderers and the lewd {and} adulterous and the practicers of magic arts and the idolaters (those who give supreme devotion to anyone or anything other than God) and all liars (those who knowingly convey untruth by word or deed)--[all of these shall have] their part in the lake that blazes with fire and brimstone. This is the second death.

I could go on to list many more Scriptures to dispel this lie and attack, but I think you get the message. If you don't then maybe you better pray to God to open your blind eye's. The problem with that is you have to have faith that God would. Hmmm?

Mark 11:22 And Jesus, replying, said to them, Have
faith in God [constantly].

Mark 11:23 Truly I tell you, whoever says to this mountain, Be lifted up and thrown into the sea! and does not
doubt at all in his heart but believes that what he says will take place, it will be done for him.

Mark 11:24 For this reason I am telling you, whatever you ask for in prayer,
believe (trust and be confident) that it is granted to you, and you will [get it].

When do you believe you have the answer to your prayers? The moment you stand praying, that's faith.

Mark 16:14 Afterward He appeared to the Eleven [apostles themselves] as they reclined at table; and He reproved {and} reproached them for their
unbelief (their lack of faith) and their hardness of heart, because they had refused to believe those who had seen Him {and} looked at Him attentively after He had risen [from death].
Mark 16:15 And He said to them, Go into all the world and preach {and} publish openly the good news (the Gospel) to every creature [of the whole human race].
Mark 16:16 He who
believes [who adheres to and trusts in and relies on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth] and is baptized will be saved [from the penalty of eternal death]; but he who does not believe [who does not adhere to and trust in and rely on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth] will be condemned.
Mark 16:17 And these attesting signs will accompany those who
believe: in My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new languages;
Mark 16:18 They will pick up serpents; and [even] if they drink anything deadly, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will get well.Mark 16:19 So then the Lord Jesus, after He had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and He sat down at the right hand of God.

What is the Gospel? it is the Good News. The good news is; you don't have to be sick no more, you don't have to be broke no more, you don't have to live in a bad marriage no more, you don't have to worry about your salvation no more, no more, no more, no more!

There are so many Christians walking around in the world today all defeated and beat down. They don't even know that they have authority in the name of Jesus. There is a Blood covenant that ties me to my Saviour, and you also, and I'll be darn if I am going to sit back any longer and allow this kind of garbage to unchallenged.

There are those out there that pray "Lord if it be your will, please heal me" most of the time they look as if they have sucked on a lemon.

READ your Bible, the Bible is God's Will. All through the N.T. Jesus went about teaching, preaching, and healing. Acts 10:38 says "How God anointed Jesus with the Holy Ghost and with Power, who went about doing GOOD and
HEALING all who were oppressed by the devil for God was with Him.

That is just one verse, it doesn't take much to see what God's Will is concerning Healing. If Healing wasn't God's Will, then Jesus would have been going against the Will of God.

Others believe that God puts sickness on them to teach them a lesson, or to punish them. Hey their happy to be going through it. It's ok it must be Gods will. When you ask these same people why they are taking medication, they'll reply that they are sick. When you say do you take it to get better, they will reply, yes. You ought to see the look on their faces when I tell them, then you must be out of God's Will if you are trying to get better.

You should never take a knife to a gunfight, and that is just what this
Christian Expositor non-denominational, orthodox evangelical Christian group have done.

I have back up the Word of Faith message using Scripture, it always was and always will be. How dare they call the Faith Message Cultic.

Well I better sign off for now.

I pray that more and more of us will take a few minutes each day to read our Bibles. No for yourself what God has to say about you. We need to quit relying on others to tell us what the truth is. Remember that there are those out there that don't even have the brains God gave a Raccoon, and their claiming to be teachers of the Word.

I don't know what Gospel they're teaching, but it's not in my Bible.

Please feel free to email me. I would love to hear your input, good or bad.

In His Service,

Pastor Jeff (Schrick).

You may email me at:

Willing Vessel Ministries


TCE replies: 19th June 2006

Dear Jeff

thank you for taking the time to respond to our pages on 'Word Faith'.  We have clearly stated our attitude to e-mails and your missive totally supports the reasons we avoid wasting too much time on such attempts to defend deception.  Since, in the recent past, we have spent time answering foolish efforts from other 'Word-Faith' adherents a simple 'cut and paste' from that material will suffice.  Let us see if your efforts are up to the usual 'Word Faith' standards?

The un-Scriptural 'Word Faith' use of - 'Touch not My anointed, and do My prophets no harm'!

If you had taken the time to read more of our pages you might possibly have avoided the usual un-Scriptural 'Word Faith' use of:

1 Chr 16:22 Saying, Touch not My anointed, and do My prophets no harm.

'Word Faith' leaders have neither the credentials to claim 'anointing' nor the prophetic record to claim to be prophets!  You claim to have supplied Scriptural support for 'Word Faith' teachings and, in due course, we will see if you have grounds for such boasting.  But should we really spend too much time on communication from a 'pastor' who throws out un-Scriptural accusations of:

The un-Scriptural 'Accuser of the brethren' - followed by the predictable 'Word-Faith' ad hominem attack!

2 Tim 3:3 [They will be] without natural [human] affection (callous and inhuman), relentless (admitting of no truce or appeasement); [they will be] slanderers (false accusers, troublemakers), intemperate {and} loose in morals {and} conduct, uncontrolled {and} fierce, haters of good.

We have already responded in the past to this accusation and a search of our pages would reveal the foolishness of claiming that factually reporting or commenting on Christian doctrinal error makes someone an 'Accuser of the Brethren'! 
Anyone who opens with an ad hominem attack has lost the argument before they begin.

The typically casual attitude to the Word of God!

You write:   It never ceases to amaze me of the ignorance of many claiming to be doing the work of the Lord, but only opening mouth and inserting their obviously very large feet. When it comes to the Divinci Code ...'

TCE:  Anyone who throws around accusations in the 'Word Faith' manner should take a little more time and care before accusing others of 'ignorance' and worse ['there are those out there that don't even have the brains God gave a Raccoon, and their [sic] claiming to be teachers of the Word'].  Presumably you meant to refer to the 'Da Vinci Code'?  Clearly you have a problem keeping your emotions in check, even when writing, as well as ignoring the Scriptural warrant to 'make sure of all things' (1 Thessalonians 5v19-21; Acts 17v11).

You write:   I am going to use a simple tool afforded me by God, the Bible to show that these accusers are nothing more then people planted by the enemy to try and stop the message that Jesus preached. I will also point out the the words faith and belief, believe, believing are synonymous terms, used interchangeably in the Bible. Therefore you will see that in the end, these folk who try and stop the so called faith movement, In reality are going against the Word of God, and what Jesus taught.

TCE: The Bible 'a simple tool'?  Is that why Peter wrote? (2 Peter 3:16):

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

If only the Bible was 'simple' for 'Word Faith' adherents to follow you might never have gone off on a largely irrelevant tangent in which you can quote as many Scriptures as you like, for building a straw man to defend is plain foolishness.  You should know from our pages that it is not faith or belief that is the issue with 'Word Faith,' but its leaders claims that they don't need to seek the 'will' of God, but can 'order' Him to answer their requests, that is utterly in error!

You write:    To suggest that the Faith message we teach is an unbiblical teaching is ludicrous, seeing how serious God feels about it. Look at the Scripture for yourself, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the ink on the page. ... it looks to me like they are trying to kick these mighty vessels to the curb [sic].'

TCE: If only you were defending the 'Word Faith' message!  And who are these 'mighty vessels' you refer to?  The 'Word-Faith' 'teachers' we name on our pages?

The 'Word Faith' doctrine of demons of E.W. Kenyon!

'Word-Faith' healers refuse to consider the clear Biblical evidence that proves we must pray to be in the will of God!

You write:   'There are those out there that pray "Lord if it be your will, please heal me" most of the time they look as if they have sucked on a lemon.'

TCE:  We will assume that you really are ignorant of the facts concerning the leaders of the 'Word Faith' movement and examine the origination of the teachings of these 'mighty vessels':

The real father, or grandfather, of the 'Word Faith' doctrine of demons is E.W.  Kenyon who, without Scriptural support, taught that Jesus died two deaths - physically on the cross and spiritually as he descended into hell:  'His physical death was but a means to an end.'  The truth is that, although that death fulfilled perfect obedience, Jesus' sacrifice did not eradicate sin and sickness which are essentially spiritual.   Kenyon was the initiator, Kenneth Hagin the propagator, of the real 'doctrines of demons' which Fred Price, and other duped followers took on board.   Price states: 'Do you think that the punishment for our sin was to die on a cross? ...  No, the punishment was to go into hell itself and to serve time in hell separated from God.'  Clear Biblical teaching is that Christ was not abandoned to the grave (Acts 2:31) but went and proclaimed the triumph of His mighty work on the cross (1 Peter 3:19) to '
the spirits in prison'.  Ephesians 4:9 declares that the Lord descended "into the lower parts of the earth."  This is often cited as added proof that He went to Hades (Hell) in the disembodied state (cf. the words of the Apostles' Creed --"descended into hell").  But the accepted interpretation is that Peter is describing what happened in the days of Noah when the Spirit of Christ preached through Noah to the unbelieving generation before the flood. These were not disembodied spirits at that time, but living men and women who rejected the warnings of Noah and were destroyed by the flood and were therefore the 'spirits in the prison' of Hades.  In 3:20 the spirits in prison are unmistakably identified as those 'who formerly were disobedient'. When were they disobedient? When 'once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared'. What was the final outcome?  Only a few, that is, 'eight souls, were saved through water.'  This view of Christ's proclamation to the imprisoned spirits (in tartaros, not Hell; 2 Peter 2v4-5) harmonizes the statements of Jesus from the cross, "Today you will be with Me in Paradise" (Luke 23v43) and "Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit" (Luke 23v46), proving that He was not 'serving time' in any way.

'Word Faith' 'healing' is to be accepted as an accomplished 'faith fact' even though it is not immediately manifested as a physical fact, just as in the 'Emperor's New Clothes' deception.   We know 'Word Faith' adherents here in Cardiff who refuse to accept that they have a glass-eye, or prosthetic limb.   They claim that symptoms are not the disease itself, but are spiritual decoys from Satan to trick the believer into a negative confession that forfeits healing.    Meanwhile everyone knows that they cannot see through their glass eye, or walk properly on the prosthesis, but still they parrot the falsehoods of 'Word Faith'.   Kenyon wrote:  'Confession always goes ahead of healing.   Don̓t watch the symptoms - watch the Word....  You are healed.  The Word says you are.' 
Kenyon taught that it is wrong for us to have diseases in our bodies, claiming that God laid them on Jesus, and that the believer who is not healed is out of God̓s will, for sickness is caused by unbelief or sin.   Price shares the Word Faith's contradictory view (which is consistent with that other metaphysical charlatan of mumbo-jumbo, Mary Baker Eddy of the Christian Science cult) toward doctors and medication.   Most 'Word Faith' Movement leaders stop short of ruling out the use of medicine 'as necessary' because they know that they will also be caught out in its use, as Eddy was, but some will at least admit it to be a sign of weak faith.   Can they detect the ambiguity in their teaching?  Fred Price believes that medicine is not opposed to divine healing, but it should be considered a temporary measure:

'If you need a crutch or something to help you get along, then praise God, and hobble along until you get your faith moving to the point that you don̓t need a crutch.''

According to the 'Word Faith' camp, anyone who needs medicine doesn̓t have strong faith.   
The record of 'Word Faith' followers - including many children - who died because they stopped taking their medication on these grounds is another cruel testimony to this real 'doctrine of demons'!  Price is perhaps smarter than the other charlatans in covering himself so their relatives can't sue him after their death from discontinuance of medication (a short-coming that Morris Cerullo was rightly challenged over in Britain).  Consider this quote from Fred Price:

'If you've got one dollar faith and you ask for a ten-thousand dollar item, it ain't going to work.  It won't work.  Jesus said, 'According to your [faith],' not according to God's will for you, in His own good time, if it's according to His will, if He can work it into his busy schedule.  He said, 'According to your faith, be it unto you.'

It is a great pity, that has caused untold damage to thousands of suffering people, that the 'Word Faith'  proponents fail to see the obvious point - that in Scripture it requires faith by
someone, not necessarily the sufferer, to reach the Father-heart of God who, in His mercy, heals.

Since positive confession teaches people that their words are determinative, God is no longer the object of faith and 'Word Faith' devotees are taught to put their faith in their own words - or, as Hagin bluntly states: 'faith in (their) own faith ...  having faith in your words is having faith in your faith ...  that̓s what you̓ve got to learn to do to get things from God'.   Thus Hagin disparages the Father and Son with his ludicrous ramblings.   How can he even talk about God having faith in His own Word (His Son!)  and speak of the
faith of an omniscient, sovereign God?  He tries to turn faith into a magical formula where words spoken by humans are given the power to 'get things from God.'  The complete absence of Biblical support for their doctrines does not seem to trouble the 'Word Faith' heretics who reject the truth - that the only appropriate objects for our faith are God and his infallible Word, not our own words.   Kenneth Hagin claims:  'Believe it in your heart; say it with your mouth.  That is the principle of faith.   You can have what you say.'  He quotes John 14:14:  'If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it' - but ignores the plain implications of the phrase 'in My name' so he can use the verse as an unqualified promise that 'Word Faith' believers can extort from God whatever they desire.  Kenyon encouraged this arrogant presumptuousness when he wrote:

'When you learn to walk as Jesus walked, without any consciousness of inferiority to God or Satan, you will have faith that will absolutely stagger the world' (Kenyon's Gospel Publishing Society, 1969, 18th Ed.)

Thus the obscene 'blab-it-and-grab-it' ministries of such as John Avanzini and Robert Tilton solicit money from the gullible by 'suggesting' that followers make a 'vow of faith' in the form of a gift - to their ministry of course!  Tilton follows the Kenyon formula and encourages his listeners to pray the prayer of faith:  'not one of those, 'Lord, if it be Thy will - ̓ I
know what the will of God is when it concerns healing, and prosperity, and divine direction....  I don̓t have to pray a prayer of doubt and unbelief.'  Of course, Robert Tilton wants you to make a big money vow of faith to his ministry - he isn't interested in peanuts and he certainly doesn̓t want you to pray for God̓s will on the matter.   After all, you can demand what you want and God must give it to you.   But the fact that this is deceitful, blasphemous, foolishness followed by thousands is shown by the fact that only those leading these ministries achieve the riches and prestige they claim everyone can demand.   Of course, it works just like the Emperor's New Clothes in that no one can query this fact - because the reason they are not achieving the same results as the leaders is that they are weak in faith - just as only those who were wise could see the Emperor's 'magic clothes'!  Hence it is no surprise to read Fred Price conclude:

'Now, I may want a Rolls Royce, and don't have but bicycle faith.  Guess what I̓m going to get? A bicycle.'

It is no surprise to see that it is the 'Word Faith' charlatans who travel to their meetings in Rolls Royce's while their supposedly feeble-faithed followers arrive on the metaphorical bicycle!  Yet still they don't catch on to the scam.   Since God's ability to bless us is supposedly determined by our faith the 'Word Faith' preachers cannot pray 'If it be Thy will' and, while they will quote
John 14:14:  'If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it' they seem to be completely ignorant of 1 John 5:14:

'This is the confidence which we have before Him, that,
if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us'

Incredibly, Hagin claims that no such truth is taught in the New Testament:

'Because we didn̓t understand what Jesus said, and because we̓ve been religiously brainwashed instead of New Testament taught, we watered down the promises of God and tacked on something that Jesus didn̓t say, and added on something else to it: 'Well, He will all right if it̓s His will, but it might not be His will,' people have said.  And yet, you don̓t find that kind of talk in the New Testament'.

Thus Hagin has also written: 

'It is unscriptural to pray, 'If it is the will of God.̓ When you put an 'if' in your prayer, you are praying in doubt.' 

If Hagin had not spent so much time absorbing and regurgitating Kenyon - sometimes word for word - he might have noticed that
1 John 5:14 clearly includes an 'if.' 

In rejecting all prayers that are asked in God's will the 'Word Faith' heretics boldly assert that such prayers are actually calling God a fool.   But contrary to the claims of the faith teachers, Christ Himself prayed that God's will be done (
Matthew 6:10: ...  your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven'; Matthew 26:39: 'Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, 'My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me.  Yet not as I will, but as you will.'), as did His brother James (James 4:15) in a passage that is altogether damning of the arrogant presumptions of the 'Word Faith' heretics:

13Now listen, you who say, 'Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money.'
14Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow.  What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes15Instead, you ought to say, 'If it is the Lord's will, we will live and do this or that.' 16As it is, you boast and brag.  All such boasting is evil.  17Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins. 

The apostle Paul also prayed Scripturally (
Romans 1:10):

10in my prayers at all times; and I pray that now at last by God's will the way may be opened for me to come to you.

Romans 15:31-32:

31Pray that I may be rescued from the unbelievers in Judea and that my service in Jerusalem may be acceptable to the saints there, 32so that by God's will I may come to you with joy and together with you be refreshed.

Romans 8:27 tells us that even the Holy Spirit 'intercedes for the saints according to the will of God'.

These examples contradict the most fundamental 'Word Faith' teaching and are supported by an abundance of other Scriptural testimony, such as the actions of the relatively 'good' king Josiah who
did not seek the will of God and took it upon himself to attack the Egyptian king, Neco (2 Chronicles 35:20-24):

2CH 35:20 After all this, when Josiah had set the temple in order, Neco king of Egypt went up to fight at Carchemish on the Euphrates, and Josiah marched out to meet him in battle. 21 But Neco sent messengers to him, saying, "What quarrel is there between you and me, O king of Judah? It is not you I am attacking at this time, but the house with which I am at war.
God has told me to hurry; so stop opposing God, who is with me, or he will destroy you."    2CH 35:22 Josiah, however, would not turn away from him, but disguised himself to engage him in battle. He would not listen to what Neco had said at God's command but went to fight him on the plain of Megiddo.    2CH 35:23 Archers shot King Josiah, and he told his officers, "Take me away; I am badly wounded." 24 So they took him out of his chariot, put him in the other chariot he had and brought him to Jerusalem, where he died. He was buried in the tombs of his fathers, and all Judah and Jerusalem mourned for him.

Although Neco addressed Josiah (
v21): "It is not you I am attacking" because he desired to march along the Palestinian coast without further delay and so meet "the house with which I am at war," namely the Babylonian army under the command of the formidable Nebuchadnezzar.  His words to try and  persuade Josiah, that "God has told me to hurry," should have had a special appeal for a godly king concerned about keeping God's word. 

Josiah (like King Ahab who ignored the will of God expressed through Micaiah, a true prophet of God, and thus died at Ramoth Gilead - cf. 
2 Chronicles 18:29), then "disguised himself" (v22) for protection against his fate rather than seek or listen to the will of God.  For though this might have come as a surprise to the king, "what Neco had said" actually had come "at God's command."  The Lord's consistent message to his people has always been that they must rely on him and, correspondingly, seek his will and keep themselves from independent involvement in such as international power politics (cf. the results of such actions at 16:2, 9; 28:16; 32:1, 5).

It is the faith teachers themselves who are acting like fools in that they fail to realise that the Sovereign God can act exactly as He pleases!  The truth is that, as a result of the fall, all of creation groans under the curse of suffering (
Romans 8:19-21), and disease will only be fully defeated in the believers life when death is defeated with the coming of Christ and the general resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:51-55).  It is only then that the natural body, characterised by perishability, weakness, and dishonour will be raised imperishable, powerful, and in glory (1 Corinthians 15:42-44).

'Word-Faith' adherents fail to recognise that, far from stressing the importance of wealth, the Bible warns against pursuing it!

What of the 'Word Faith' movement's emphasis on material wealth and prosperity?  How can adherents believe that this is what real faith is all about when, far from stressing the importance of wealth, the Bible warns against pursuing it?!  Believers - especially leaders in the church (
1 Timothy 3:3) - are to be free from the love of money (Hebrews 13:5), for love of money leads to all kinds of evil (1 Timothy 6:10).  How can gullible people swallow this heresy when Jesus warned:  'Beware, and be on your guard against every form of greed; for not even when one has an abundance does his life consist of his possessions' (Luke 12:15).  In sharp contrast to the 'Word Faith' gospel̓s emphasis on gaining money and possessions in this life, Jesus said, 'Do not lay up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal' (Matthew 6:19).   The irreconcilable contradictions between the 'Word Faith' gospel and the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ is best summed up in the words of Jesus in Matthew 6:24: 'You cannot serve God and mammon [riches].'

Are you unaware of the gross inability of your teachers to answer the many Scriptures which manifestly reveal the contradictions and falsehoods of 'Word Faith' beliefs?   Members of TCE - and many others who prefer the Biblical view to that of 'Word Faith' - are not anti-charismatic or cessationists (believing that miraculous gifts have ceased) but fully acknowledge that God does heal miraculously -
as He wills.   Our pages have some accounts of personal 'words of knowledge/wisdom' and prophecies that have been fulfilled with 100% accuracy.   This is contrary to the ludicrous false prophecies of Benny Hinn et al who have repeatedly shown that they have no anointing from God in any form whatsoever!  Sadly, those who attempt to claim their critics are 'anti-charismatic' are not even accurate about the Biblical definition of charisma (spiritual gifts endowed by God) nor are they factual in their assertions.   It is no surprise to find that many genuine 'Pentecostals' and 'Charismatics' are equally critical of the Word-Faith theology.

The efforts of the 'Word Faith' teachers to demonstrate that they work in 'God's mighty power' have failed utterly and their disastrous attempted healings and prophecies have only confirmed what true Bible believers recognise - they are deceivers.   Despite all this trumpeted hype, there have been deaths as a result of the false claims of healing by the 'Word Faith' teachers and, despite the accumulated wealth (scammed off the poor, gullible followers!) of such as Hinn and the Copelands, they do not even begin to approach the riches and resources of such as king Solomon who foolishly went after the false gods of his wives (
1 Kings 3:3; 11:1-13) and was severely punished for his transgression.   Although the Lord did not dethrone him, remove his loving-kindness from him, or take the kingdom from him (as he did to Saul), this was for the sake of his father, David (1 Kings 11:12) and not because of the faith, or lack of it, of Solomon - as we read in v12-13; 31-40:

12Notwithstanding in thy days
I will not do it for David thy father's sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son13Howbeit I will not rend away all the kingdom; but will give one tribe to thy son for David my servant's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake which I have chosen.  ...  31for thus saith the Lord, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee: 32(But he shall have one tribe for my servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel:) 33Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.  34Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant's sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes: 35But I will take the kingdom out of his son's hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes36And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David my servant may have a light alway before me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen me to put my name there.   37And I will take thee, and thou shalt reign according to all that thy soul desireth, and shalt be king over Israel.  38And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee.  39And I will for this afflict the seed of David, but not for ever.  40Solomon sought therefore to kill Jeroboam.  And Jeroboam arose, and fled into Egypt, unto Shishak king of Egypt, and was in Egypt until the death of Solomon. 

Solomon retained the kingdom because of the Sovereign decision of the Lord who also declared that he would  '
take the kingdom out of his son's hand'!  Where is there room in this for the claims of 'Word Faith'?  Solomon was unfaithful, disbelieving and even 'sought ...  to kill Jeroboam' - but still retained the kingdom and lived in opulence!  Surely the wonderful, faithful, 'Word Faith' teachers should have many more of the wonderful possessions they so covet than Solomon possessed even in his unfaithfulness - but they don't!  Why not, if they really have more belief and faith than such Old Testament believers as Solomon?  They have much less than Solomon - is this because they are admitting to being worse than Solomon, an idolater and a man who schemed to murder Jeroboam?

Also notice that God was preserving the kingdom '
for David my servant's sake.'  What marred the record of this servant of God - adultery with Bathsheba, which resulted in a pregnancy and the death of the baby soon after birth, and the murder of Uriah to try and hide this deceit (2 Samuel 11)?  Despite admitting his sin, David then had to suffer at the hand of the Sovereign God who promised disaster against his household (12:10-11) and took this first baby (12:15) . There was nothing David could do to change God's mind, although he reacted in the right way by repenting, pleading, fasting and praying.  Why didn't he apply 'Word Faith' belief to get himself out of this predicament?  Because he was totally in the hands of the Omnipotent, Sovereign God  - and he knew it!  This was what made him the 'servant of God' that he was.   He did not try some foolish, arrogant, 'name-it-and-claim-it' ploy, but accepted that his fate was in the hands of the Perfect Judge who would also show him mercy and loving-kindness, despite the evil of his schemes.

God is not controlled by human thoughts or dictated to by the words of men and it is noticeable that, if Job, Jeremiah, David, Jonah, Elijah etc., had commanded their situations in 'Word Faith' fashion by their thinking or words, they would have met with utter disaster
because they all confessed negatively!  An example of such 'negativity' occurred when Elijah asked God to take his life (1 Kings 19:4).   But his words could not change his destiny and God took him to heaven in a chariot of fire (2 Kings 2:11).  If visualisation and positive confession automatically equalled possession we could expect at least some 'Word Faith' preachers to have the wisdom of Solomon, patience of Job, and spiritually inspired theology of Paul - instead we hear unrelenting drivel, false teaching and false prophecy from them!  They try to hide behind excuses akin to the charlatans who produced the 'Emperor's New Clothes' - e.g:  'He sure wasn't under the anointing when he said/did that!'  Let's get real, shall we?

Isaiah 53:4-5 refers primarily to the redemptive value of the Atonement and not physical healing!

You write: 'READ your Bible, the Bible is God's Will. All through the N.T. Jesus went about teaching, preaching, and healing. Acts 10:38 says "How God anointed Jesus with the Holy Ghost and with Power, who went about doing GOOD and HEALING all who were oppressed by the devil for God was with Him.

That is just one verse, it doesn't take much to see what God's Will is concerning Healing. If Healing wasn't God's Will, then Jesus would have been going against the Will of God.'

TCE: Your first statement ignores many Scriptural facts that temper our knowledge of divine healing.  While God has always desired his people to be healthy (Exodus 15:26) the Old Testament teaches that all dimensions of human nature are interrelated and divides a person into three components: spirit, soul and body -  a view diametrically contrary to prosperity theology̓s dualism of opposing spiritual and material realms which reveals the origins of their doctrines to be occultic.  A text regularly quoted by adherents of the health and wealth movement as a proof text to support their theology of healing is Isaiah 53:4-5:

4 Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted.  5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. 
But it should be noted that this text is referring primarily to the redemptive value of the atonement.   Its major emphasis is on sin not physical sickness and the Hebrew word translated 'healed' in verse 5 (
raphah) is commonly used elsewhere in the Old Testament to refer to spiritual healing, not physical (eg.  Jeremiah 3:22).

Although verse 4 refers to physical healing, it is given an important qualification in the Gospels.  Matthew writes how the sick and demon possessed were brought to Jesus and He healed them
'so that what was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah would be fulfilled' (Matthew 8:16-17).   Therefore the healing that Isaiah was speaking of was fulfilled during Christ's earthly ministry, before the atonement, and so cannot be used as a proof text to automatically guarantee a Christian's healing today.   Although God heals today under the New Covenant, and respond to faithful prayers, the error of the 'Word Faith Movement' is that they deny God's sovereignty and have attempted to reduce Him to a puppet who must always respond with healing - after all, the arrogant and heretical 'little gods' doctrine of 'Word Faith' can only lead to such presumption.

At the onset of his ministry, Jesus described his mission in terms of Isaiah̓s prophecy of spiritual and physical healing (
Matthew 8:17; Luke 4:18-19) and, throughout the Gospels, He was preaching and healing.  The word sozo usually translated 'save' also means 'heal' and Jesus sent out his disciples to preach the kingdom and heal the sick (Luke 9:1-2; 10:1, 9).   We fully accept that the early church reaffirmed that commission with 'gifts of healing' (1 Corinthians 12:9) and anointing with oil (James 5:14-15) - and these gifts have not ceased to exist.   Nevertheless, although Christ̓s atonement is the basis for making people whole, complete healing clearly doesn̓t always take place in our fallen world.  Contrary to 'Word Faith' teaching, healing is not 'a universal, immediately available privilege' and evil, falsehood and illness persist, and will not finally be eliminated until we enjoy our resurrection body.  'Word Faith' teaching that it was not Jesus̓ physical death but, rather, his spiritual death in hell which effected atonement, contradicts many Biblical statements that atonement was essentially a physical act involving the shedding of his blood (e.g., Colossians 2:13-15; Hebrews 2:14-15; 9:22-23; 1 Peter 2:24; 4:1).

You write:   'Others believe that God puts sickness on them to teach them a lesson, or to punish them. Hey their happy to be going through it. It's ok it must be Gods will. When you ask these same people why they are taking medication, they'll reply that they are sick. When you say do you take it to get better, they will reply, yes. You ought to see the look on their faces when I tell them, then you must be out of God's Will if you are trying to get better.'

TCE: Many calling themselves Christians hold views that are incompatible with the whole of Scripture.  Their erroneous views are never grounds for ridiculing truth - and 'Word Faith' teachers hold to such heretical views that they have no grounds for despising 'the look on the[ir] faces' of those who are hardly less ignorant.  To refute their erroneous views we need to find Scriptural support for the view that those who sin against God have sickness put upon them.  Such examples clearly exist, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament, e.g.:

2 Chronicles 21v5-19Jehoram was thirty-two years old when he became king, and he reigned eight years in Jerusalem. 6  And he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, as the house of Ahab had done; for the daughter of Ahab was his wife. And he did what was evil in the sight of the LORD. 7  Yet the LORD would not destroy the house of David, because of the covenant which he had made with David, and since he had promised to give a lamp to him and to his sons for ever ... 12   And a letter came to him from Elijah the prophet, saying, "Thus says the LORD, the God of David your father, 'Because you have not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat your father, or in the ways of Asa king of Judah,13  but have walked in the way of the kings of Israel, and have led Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem into unfaithfulness, as the house of Ahab led Israel into unfaithfulness, and also you have killed your brothers, of your father's house, who were better than yourself; 14  behold, the LORD will bring a great plague on your people, your children, your wives, and all your possessions,15  and you yourself will have a severe sickness with a disease of your bowels, until your bowels come out because of the disease, day by day.'" ... 18  And after all this the LORD smote him in his bowels with an incurable disease.19  In course of time, at the end of two years, his bowels came out because of the disease, and he died in great agony. His people made no fire in his honor, like the fires made for his fathers.'

Acts 12v21-22)  On an appointed day Herod put on his royal robes, took his seat upon the throne, and made an oration to them. 22  And the people shouted, "The voice of a god, and not of man!" 23  Immediately an angel of the Lord smote him, because he did not give God the glory; and he was eaten by worms and died.

Of course, there are those who would not believe they have sinned as these evil men did but, instead, they have the misguided idea that they can apply the 'Trials of Job' to their own suffering.   Scripture gives us no such idea, but merely presents Job as an example of an imperfect believer who God allows Satan to attack relentlessly and devastatingly, only refusing 'the evil one' the power to kill Job!  'Word Faith' doctrine has enough problems trying to explain away the 'allowed' suffering of Job to open the eyes of even the most deceived.  But, coupled with this problem, we have the foolish influx of Roman Catholic false doctrine into Christianity misleading the ignorant into believing in the efficacy of adding the suffering of individuals (particularly of their 'full-blown Saints') into a 'treasury' of suffering that the Papal Church can call on to alleviate the suffering of those in purgatory etc.!  We have heard enough uncorrected Catholic dogma allowed in British 'Word Faith' groups to know the problems you must have!

The arrogant and heretical 'little gods' doctrine of 'Word-Faith' leads to tragic - and sometimes fatal - presumption!

Kenneth Copeland states that healing 'always comes and that the problem is with our receiving not God's giving'.   Concerning the many instances where believers are not healed, Copeland goes so far as to declare that 'such stories are lies'.   This in spite of the abundance of
video recorded evidence of those who were accepted as being healed (by 'Word-Faith' believers!), but who died soon afterwards!  As a result of such 'Word Faith' teaching, Christians who are not healed often feel that they have not only failed themselves, but God as well.   Despite the words of the 'Word Faith' teachers, the fact remains that Christians often develop sicknesses and don't always get healed, regardless of their level of faith.   To deny such a fact not only results in a denial of reality but also of what the Bible itself has to say on the matter.  Nowhere does the New Testament teach that complete physical healing is the right of all Christians and there is clear Scriptural evidence in support of this view.   For example, although the apostle Paul operated in the power of God to heal the sick (Acts 19:11), on many occasions he was unable to heal those closest to him.   For example, the apostle Paul reports the near-death illness of his colleague Epaphroditus (Philippians 2:27), the fact that he had left Trophimus sick in Miletus (2 Timothy 4:20), and his encouragement of Timothy to take some wine for his frequent stomach illnesses (1 Timothy 5:23).   Not only was Paul at times unable to see healing in the lives of his friends, but even in his own life sickness was still a reality.  Writing to the Galatians, Paul reminds them how it was because of an illness he had suffered that an occasion for ministry among them arose (Galatians 4:13-15).   Likewise, writing to the Corinthians, he explained how his 'thorn in the flesh' remained even though He asked the Lord to take it from him three times (2 Corinthians 12:7- 9).   Those accepting the 'Word Faith' creeds need to consider why Paul did not believe facing illness to be a 'negative confession̓ which should be totally avoided and never discussed! And why, despite your mocking ('You ought to see the look on their faces when I tell them, then you must be out of God's Will if you are trying to get better'), he recommended Timothy take a little medicinal wine for his sickness.  Do you wish to join other 'Word Faith' believers who would rather denigrate the apostles than admit that their Scriptural accounts are at odds with the teachings of your 'mighty vessels'?  As we have amply shown, your simplistic view is neither true to Scripture or the facts.  Obviously, your conclusion concerning the miracles performed by Jesus is true partially, although it drastically understates the uniqueness of His position: 'God anointed Jesus ... God was with Him.

Jesus was fully and equally God (
Rom. 1:7; 9:5; I Cor. 1:1-3; 2:8; 2 Cor. 5:10; Gal. 2:20; 4:4; Phil. 2:6; Col. 2:9; I Tim. 3:16; Heb. 1:1-3, 5, 8; 4:14; 5:8, and other passages), but chose to work miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit.  What a great example to all His disciples through history.  We are nothing outside of the work of God through the Spirit.  No one can perform genuine miracles without God being 'with them', but this does not over-ride the facts previously discussed - or the fact that God certainly does not perform miracles at the beck and call of men.  There are clearly many ways in which God does the miraculous - just as there are reasons He chooses not to reveal His power, e.g.: '... He did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief'(Matthew 13:58).

The 'Word Faith' movement is consistent with the 'signs and wonders movement' generally in falsifying the Biblical view of suffering.  Suffering has various causes, some arising within ourselves, but Scripture shows that there is suffering that is given to Christians by God that is intended for their growth and His own glory.  Such were Job̓s trials, the suffering of the man who had been born blind (
John 9), the thorn in Paul̓s flesh, and the various hurts, disappointments, and forms of physical anguish endured by countless numbers of God̓s people today - anguish that the Bible assures 'produces character' (Romans 5:3-5).

How Paul's accounts of suffering utterly demolish the 'Word-Faith' heresies!

Constant miracle-seeking not only undermines or replaces the full gospel, but weakens the normal character building such as that undergone by the saints of the past by eliminating the mundane hassles and frustrations of the normal Christian life.   It is a clear fact that 'Word Faith' has no explanation, for example, to justify the struggles of the apostle Paul - other than to try and claim that God was punishing him in the same way David was punished for his sin with Bathsheba through his sinful and rebellious family.   In the whole passage of
2 Corinthians 11, Paul compares himself to the False Apostles of his day in an inspired passage that both contrasts his life and exposes the present false apostles of 'Word Faith' so perfectly:

1I hope you will put up with a little of my foolishness; but you are already doing that.  2I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy.  I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.  3But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 
4For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough5But I do not think I am in the least inferior to those 'super-apostles.' 6I may not be a trained speaker, but I do have knowledge.  We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way.  7Was it a sin for me to lower myself in order to elevate you by preaching the gospel of God to you free of charge? 8I robbed other churches by receiving support from them so as to serve you.  9And when I was with you and needed something, I was not a burden to anyone, for the brothers who came from Macedonia supplied what I needed.  I have kept myself from being a burden to you in any way, and will continue to do so10As surely as the truth of Christ is in me, nobody in the regions of Achaia will stop this boasting of mine.  11Why? Because I do not love you? God knows I do! 12And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.  13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.  14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.  15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness.  Their end will be what their actions deserve.  16I repeat: Let no one take me for a fool.  But if you do, then receive me just as you would a fool, so that I may do a little boasting.  17In this self-confident boasting I am not talking as the Lord would, but as a fool.  18Since many are boasting in the way the world does, I too will boast.  19You gladly put up with fools since you are so wise! 20In fact, you even put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or pushes himself forward or slaps you in the face21To my shame I admit that we were too weak for that!  22What anyone else dares to boast about--I am speaking as a fool--I also dare to boast about.  Are they Hebrews? So am I.  Are they Israelites? So am I.  Are they Abraham's descendants? So am I.  23Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this.) I am more.  I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again.  24Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one.  25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26I have been constantly on the move.  I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my own countrymen, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false brothers.  27I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked.  28Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches.  29Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn?  30If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness.  31The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is to be praised forever, knows that I am not lying.

Paul voluntarily made tents (
Acts 18:2-4) and suffered many hardships (2 Corinthians 11:23-30);

Why, if the 'Word Faith Movement' gospel is the truth?

Shouldn't he have been living in luxury like Hinn et al!?

He trudged around Asia,
'in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my own countrymen, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false brothers ...I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked' (2 Corinthians 11:26-27);

Why, if the 'Word Faith Movement' gospel is the truth?

Shouldn't he have been riding in comfort and luxury equivalent to the Rolls Royce's of 'Word Faith'?

He was ship-wrecked three times and spent 'a day and a night in the deep' (
2 Corinthians 11:25);

Why, if the 'Word Faith Movement' gospel is the truth?

Should he have been travelling rough in such ships, sharing with merchants and soldiers, when he could have been travelling in his own personal luxury ship equivalent to the private jets of the 'Word Faith' con-men!

Why did he even allow himself to be beaten, imprisoned, and finally taken to Rome, eventually to face death, if the 'Word Faith Movement' gospel is the truth?

The final massive nail in the idiotic claim of 'Word-Faith' adherents that 'God's desire is to bless us and heal us and not to make us suffer more ... Apostle Paul suffered because he murdered Stephen and caused the death of other Christians ... Hence he reaped what he sowed in the current time of life [
sic]' [quote from 'Word-Faith' adherent Josephine Melrose] is in complete ignorance of Scriptures which tell us that believers will receive 'of his fulness'.  Note that some are applied by the apostle Paul to himself - yet he had to support himself by tent-making (Acts 18:2-4) and he, and other apostles, clearly suffered sickness (see earlier Scriptural examples)!:

John 1:16 For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace.
Eph 3:19  And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Eph 4:13  Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ

Thus Paul declared boldly (
Romans 15:29): 'I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the gospel of Christ.'

All is all and full is full!

The false gospel of the 'Word Faith' and 'Signs and Wonders' group does away with the need for unnecessary affliction but further burdens us with lacking faith if the 'demon' of lack of material things and suffering cannot be quickly cast out.   It also reveals an aversion to Christianity in which the gospel is not sufficiently powerful to produce mature Christian faith, the Scriptures are not sufficiently revealing for the life of faithful obedience to God, the finished work of Christ is not sufficiently relevant for effective evangelism, and the hope of Christ̓s coming is not sufficiently comforting for those who are suffering!  However, the Bible declares that the saints overcame Satan 'by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony' (
Revelation 12:11), not by 'naming it and claiming it' or 'power evangelism.'

Let us make it clear that we have total confidence in the power of God̓s Word to change lives, but the 'Word Faith' teachers have transformed the true gospel of the Word of God to one that fulfils the words of the aged apostle Paul to his young co-worker Timothy:

People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God' (2 Timothy 3:2-4). 

These verses describe every society to some degree, but are especially appropriate to the greedy consumer society in which we live today, one which has proved the perfect breeding ground for the 'Word Faith' heretics.

The 'negative confession' heresy leads to suffering and deaths while words become no more than occultic incantations!

Obviously, Christians should seek whatever healing we need as a gracious gift from our loving Father and received when and how
He chooses to provide it - whether through prayer, laying on of hands, anointing with oil, medicine, surgery, counselling, or a combination of methods.   Sometimes a physical illness is caused by sinful attitudes, fractured relationships or harmful habits, but the 'Word Faith' Movement̓s emphasis on the individual̓s right and responsibility for healing places heavy guilt on the sick person.   Tragically, even to say, 'I am ill, please pray for me,' is often considered a 'negative confession' that forfeits the right to healing and 'Word Faith' disciples have refused medical aid, sometimes resulting in unnecessary and avoidable deaths.   This makes disciples paranoid as their words become no more than magical incantations, determining their fate.   Thus they are trapped in foolish superstition, rather than demonstrating Biblical faith.  Charles Capps warned against the dangers of speaking a negative confession, even unintentionally:

We have programmed our vocabulary with the devil̓s language.  We have brought sickness and disease into our vocabulary, and even death.  The main word so many people use to express themselves is death - the word,
'death.' 'I̓m just dying to do that.' They will say, 'I̓m going to die if I don̓t.  That just tickled me to death.'  Now that, my friend, is perverse speech.   That is contrary to God̓s Word.   Death is of the devil. ... We need not buddy-up with death.  All men are going to die soon enough, so don̓t start buddying up with it now.

Tellingly, 'positive-confession' rules out real confession of sin and 'Word Faith' books on prayer and spiritual growth are noticeably lacking in teaching on confessing personal sin and thus they undermine the crucial teaching of
1 John 1:8-10, which indicates believers should be constantly confessing their sin:

8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.  9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.  10If we claim we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar
and His word has no place in our lives.

Clearly, 'positive-confession' teaching actually
encourages believers to ignore and deny the reality of their sins and limitations.   This leaves adherents fearful that a negative confession will bring them bad fortune or, when 'claimed' healing doesn̓t occur, the sufferer is blamed and has to bear the burden of guilt as well as the pain of sickness.   Just when encouragement is most needed, the person, like the leper in old Israel, is thrust 'outside the camp' lest the negative confession of unhealed illness infect others.  Prosperity theology fails to provide compassionate support for the terminally ill and, at the time the dying most need faith, they are told they least have it.

The clear New Testament model of burden-sharing when faith is required proves the falsity of the 'Word-Faith' doctrine!

By contrast, the New Testament presents a model of burden-sharing.  On one occasion four men brought their paralyzed friend to Jesus.  'When Jesus saw
their faith,' he forgave and healed the man (Mark 2:1-12).  If a healing is thought to have been hindered by lack of faith, let the community point the finger first at themselves!  This is one of the most damning pieces of evidence against the false doctrines of 'Word Faith'.   If any believers' faith is sufficient to heal the sick one, despite his lack of faith, no one in the 'Word Faith' movement would ever be sick or die!  That this is untrue proves the falsity of the doctrine.   It is noticeable that many churches outside the 'Word Faith' movement carry on thoroughly Biblical healing ministries without the aberrations and excesses of the Faith Movement and manifest 'gifts of healing.'

We are familiar with the 'Word Faith' attempts to force their teachings on Scripture, such as the way the 'blessing of Abraham' relates to Christians.   The apostle Paul declared that:  'Christ redeemed us...  that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles' (
Galatians 3:13-14).  The context shows that the only part of Abraham̓s blessing of concern to the writer is that the Gentiles would be included in God̓s people.  By faith they would be justified and 'receive the promise of the Spirit' (v14), but nothing is said about poverty and sickness.   For his faith and obedience Abraham became 'very wealthy in livestock and in silver and gold' (Genesis 13:2) and God also gave him servants, slaves and a concubine.   Can 'Word Faith' believers claim the entire package which was acceptable in Abraham̓s day - or do they choose the preferable parts of the blessings?  By such use of Scripture some have tried to justify slavery and polygamy.

'Word Faith' also bases its teaching on promises made to Israel in Deuteronomy (
7:13-15; 28:1-14) but, like other promises, these have specific conditions (28:1, 11):

'If you fully obey the Lord your God and carefully follow
all his commands I give you today ...  The Lord will grant you abundant prosperity'. 

Do 'Word Faith' followers now obey all those scores of commands to qualify for the affluence they expect?  Old Testament promises of prosperity were made to a covenant people dwelling within geographical boundaries and obeying detailed regulations for their way of life.   The relationship between wealth and God's blessing was radically altered with the new covenant in Jesus Christ, becoming international in scope.  Nowhere in the gospels did He teach that God intends all Christians to be materially rich, but Jesus consistently warned about the dangers of wealth and its misuse, showing concern for, not criticism of, the poor:

Matthew 19:21  Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 
Matthew 26:9  For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. 
Matthew 26:11  For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always. 
Mark 10:21  Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. 
Mark 12:42-43  And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.    And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
Mark 14:5  For it might have been sold for more than three hundred pence, and have been given to the poor.  And they murmured against her...  7  For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always. 
Luke 14:13  But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:
Luke 14:21  So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things.  Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. 
Luke 19:8  And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

The 'Word Faith' Movement tends to degrade the poor, claiming that their poverty is the result of 'dishonouring' God through lack of faith, rather than oppression inflicted upon them by the greedy and selfish.   Rich and poor Christians need to trust God for their needs, realizing that 'godliness with contentment is great gain' (
1 Timothy 6:6).

The 'Word Faith' Movement teaching claiming the hundredfold return (
Mark 10:29-30) also ignores both its context and conditions.   Jesus had just told the rich young ruler to sell everything and follow him.  The Lord presented the cost, not the financial advantages, of discipleship.   It was to disciples who have left everything that Jesus promised the hundredfold return - with subsequent persecutions which are overlooked by prosperity teachers.   The apostle Paul followed his Lord in both teaching and lifestyle - all of which speak of a very different gospel from that proclaimed by the 'Word Faith' teachers.   Paul wrote that he was often hungry, poorly clothed, and homeless - and he took the Corinthians to task for pursuing riches (1 Corinthians 4:8-17)!  Paul later described in graphic detail a life which was far from that of perfect health and material prosperity claimed by 'Word Faith' teachers to be the believers' birthright (2 Corinthians 4:7-11; 6:3-10; 11:21-29).

The apostle Paul warned Timothy against those 'who think that godliness is a means of financial gain.  People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap' (
1 Timothy  6:5, 9).  The 'Word Faith' Movement̓s use of 3 John 2 as a proof-text for its doctrine of healing is based on another misunderstanding.   The writer̓s wish that the reader may 'prosper' (KING JAMES VERSION) means literally to 'have a pleasant trip,' and thus came to denote 'getting along well' and is therefore translated 'that all may go well with you' (NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION).   Far from a timeless guarantee of financial blessing, it is simply a standard form of greeting in letters of antiquity!

The parable of the Prodigal Son (
Luke 15:11-32) who leaves his loving father with his fortune, squanders it and then returns home in repentance is widely referred to, even outside Christian circles, and some say its only point is that the love of the father (i.e., God) is so all-embracing that he joyfully welcomes anyone who turns to him from sin.  Certainly the parable shares this theme with the previous two parables in Luke.  But, in verses 25-32, we see the 'older son,' who considers himself righteous but rejects his father's generosity by resenting the reason for which it is offered.  Context makes it reasonable to think of the older son as anyone who supposes God owes him something, and the younger as anyone who knows he has sinned and therefore throws himself on God's mercy, accepting Jesus as his only hope for salvation and forgiveness.  So the entirely reasonable and historically accepted interpretation actually likens the older son to the 'Word Faith' trained follower who thinks God owes him!  Of course, the younger son had also grabbed everything he could get from his father - and blew it on riotous living - so he was also a 'Word Faith' believer, at least for a while!  By contrast, we can ignore the whole faulty 'Word Faith' interpretation and recognise that no one has to 'feed pigs,' we can all come home to the Father as soon as we realize we ought to - as the rest of the parable reveals.  Fortunately, we see (v28) that the father does not given up on his petulant and self-righteous older son either, but entreats him lovingly and courteously.  The parable (v32) leaves open whether the older son responds to his father's appeal and, in present-day reality, whether self-righteous people will respond to God's salvation offer also remains open, for:  'it is not his purpose that anyone should be destroyed, but that everyone should turn from his sins' (2 Peter 3:9).

It is the 'Word Faith' failure to take into account all of Scripture and to rely on sound exegesis and hermeneutics, that causes you to follow this false line of reasoning when
you write:

Mark 11:24 For this reason I am telling you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe (trust and be confident) that it is granted to you, and you will [get it].

When do you believe you have the answer to your prayers? The moment you stand praying, that's faith.

TCE: 'All things whatsoever ye pray and ask for, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them' (KJV).  Jesus here lays down the broad general rule in the application of which we must be guided by other Scriptures. The rule is, indeed, liberal and gracious, and the limitations are just and reasonable. We must not expect to obtain that which it is unlawful for us to desire (James 4:2,3), or which it is unwise for us to seek (2 Corinthians 12:7-9), nor must we selfishly run counter to the will of God (Luke 22:42; 1 John 5:14,15), nor must we expect that God shall perform a miracle for us on demand.  We must pray to God in full remembrance of the relationship between us - He is the Ruler and we his subjects, and we must not think for one moment that by faith we can alter this eternal, unchangeable relation.  What a tragedy that those you term 'mighty vessels' have fed the Satanic delusion that 'Word Faith' believers can be 'little gods' who need not seek God's will!

You write: 'FYI: Faith Works by Love.'

TCE:  Galatians 5v6 states:  For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

But goes on to state the difference between those who would return to error, such as circumcision (or another error, such as that of 'Word-Faith' false doctrine! - ref. 
Galatians 1v6-9):

7  Ye did run well;
who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? 8  This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. 9  A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

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