'Replies from Roman Catholics'

Herman Benedict - 77

9th March, 2012

(Continued from page 354)


Giuliano della Rovere was born in 1443. He followed his uncle into the Franciscan Order and, after his uncle's elevation to the Papacy as Sixtus IV in 1471, began his public career. In 1471 he was created a Cardinal and held numerous episcopal sees. After the death of Sixtus IV in 1484 Cardinal Rovere played a disreputable role in the election of Innocent VIII. Seeing that his own chances for the Papacy were unfavourable he secured the election of a Pope likely to be a puppet in his hands. After the death of Alexander VI he was again a strong candidate, but he had to allow the sick Piccolomini to become Pope before he was able to secure the Cardinals' votes for himself by bribery and promises. (It was the shortest conclave in the history of the Papacy). Julius II spent money liberally on the erection of magnificent palaces and fortresses. Before he became Pope he was the father of three daughters, one of whom, Felice, he gave in marriage to Giovanni Orsini in 1506. He died in 1513.
The prophetic phrase "Fructus Jovis Juvabit" is a reference to the Pope's armorial bearings. On his arms was an oak tree which was the sacred tree to Jupiter. The oak tree is sacred to Jupiter, and Pope Julius's family name. "Della Rovere" literally means "of the oak."
Leo X (1513-1521) De craticula Politiana
[From a Politian gridiron]

Giovanni de' Medici was born in 1475 son of Lorenzo de' Medici (the Magnificent) and appointed a Cardinal at the age of thirteen. His educator and mentor was the most distinguished humanist and scholar, Angelo Politiano. In 1494 he had to flee his native city in the habit of a Franciscan monk and made several fruitless attempts to restore the supremacy of his family in Florence. The Medicis returned to favour in 1512 and in 1513 Giovanni, then thirty-seven years old, was elected Pope. During his reign he spent nearly five million ducats and left his successor with a debt of nearly half a million ducats. His creditors faced financial ruin and contemporary publications proclaim "Leo X has consumed three pontificates, the treasure of Julius II, the revenues of his own reign and those of his successor". He died at Rome in 1521.
"Craticula", the "gridiron" refers to his father Laurence the Magnificent and "Politiana" to his mentor, Angelo Poliziano the distinguished scholar. A Politian is a person professionally involved in politics. 
Adrian VI (1522-1523) Leo Florentius
['the lion of Florence' or 'Florentian lion']

He is the only Pope of modern times, except Marcellus II, who retained his Baptismal name. Born of humble parentage in Utrecht in 1459, his education was sponsored by his mother and also Margaret of Burgundy. In 1506 he became the tutor to the grandson of Emperor Maximillian, the future Charles V. Within the next decade he became Bishop, Grand Inquisitor, Cardinal and finally Regent of Spain. In 1522 the Cardinals elected him unanimously to succeed Pope Leo X. Adrian VI died on the 14th September 1523.
Malachy's prophecy refers to his family name and to the fact that two lions adorn his arms. He was the son of Florentius (or Florens), and Adrian VI's coat of arms had to lions. 
Clement VII (1523-1534) Flos pilaei aegri
['The flower of the ball' or 'The flower of the sick man's pill']

Born in 1478 a few days after the death of his father, Giulio was educated by his uncle Laurence the Magnificent. After his cousin's elevation to the Papacy as Leo X, many honours were bestowed upon him and in 1513 he was made a Cardinal. After Adrian's death Cardinal de' Medici was eventually chosen Pope. He was an Italian Prince, a diplomat first and a spiritual ruler afterwards. He died in 1534.
Flos Pilei Aegri is a reference to the Pope's armorial bearings; on his arms were six torteaux, the top one of which was charged with three fleurs-de-lis. It is during this Pope's reign that the divorce of Katherine of Aragon and Henry VIII's revolt against the Church took place. Clement VII was a Florentine of the Medician house, his arms were pill-balls and lilies. The Medici coat of arms were emblazoned with six medical balls. One of these balls, the largest of the six, was emblazoned with the Florentine lily. 
Paul III (1534-1549) Hiacynthus medicorum
['The hyacinth of physicians' of 'The hyacinth of the physicians']

Alessandro was born at Rome in 1468 of an ancient Roman family with a long tradition of service to the Church. His grandfather was commander-in-chief of Papal troops under Eugene IV. Alessandro had an excellent education and with such advantages as birth and talent his advancement in the Church was assured and rapid. In 1493 Alexander VI created him a Cardinal with the title of St. Cosmas and Damian. He was a Cardinal for over forty years and finally became Dean of the Sacred College. In 1534 the conclave proclaimed him successor to Clement VII without the formality of a ballot. During his reign a number of religious orders were founded, of which the Jesuits and Ursulines are the best known. He died in 1549.
This Pope's coat of arms has six hyacinths. He was also Cardinal of the title of St. Cosmas and Damian, who were both doctors. Malachy's prophecy appears to refer to these two facts.
Julius III (1550-1555) De corona Montana
['Of the mountain crown' or 'From the mountainous crown']

Giammaria was born on the 10th September 1487 and studied under the Dominicans. In 1512 he succeeded his uncle Antonio del Monte as Archbishop of Siponto. Under Clement VII he was twice appointed Prefect of Rome and after the sack of the City (1527) was one of the hostages given by Clement VII to the Imperialists. Paul III created him a Cardinal in 1536 and he became the successor to that Pope in 1550 after a conclave of ten weeks. His inactivity during the last three years of his pontificate was caused by frequent and severe attacks of gout. The great blemish in his reign was Nepotism: shortly after his accession he created a youth of seventeen, whom he had picked up in the streets of Palma, a Cardinal. He was also extremely lavish in bestowing ecclesiastical honours and benefices upon his relatives. On the 23rd March 1555 he died in Rome.
Malachy's prophecy refers to the Pope's armorial bearings: his arms showed laurel crowns and mountains. It showed mountains and palm branches laid out in a pattern like a crown.
Marcellus II (1555) Frumentum floccidum
['Hairy grain' or 'useless corn' or 'trifling grain']

Marcello was born in 1501 and had a spectacular career as Papal secretary, which position offered him great influence in the papal Curia. Pope Paul III created him a Cardinal in 1539. In 1545 he was appointed one of the three Presidents of the Council of Trent and in 1548 he became Librarian of the Vatican. He was also Bishop of Nicastro and Reggio. After the death of Julius III the thirty-nine Cardinals of the conclave elected Cardinal Cervini to the papacy; however, he died after a reign of only twenty-two days.
Palestrina entitled one of his famous polyphonic Masses "Missa Papa, Marcelli" in his honour. The Pope's arms show ears of wheat, while the other reference obviously alludes to the shortness of his pontificate. His coat of arms showed a stag and ears of wheat: 'trifling' because he only lived a short time as Pope. 
Paul IV (1555-1559) De fide Petri
['Of the faith of Peter' or 'From Peter's faith']


The family into which Giovanni was born in 1476 was one of the most illustrious in Naples and he was introduced to the Papal court in 1494 by his famous uncle Cardinal Oliviero Caraffa. Leo X appointed him Ambassador to England and also retained him as Nuncio in Spain. In 1536 he became Cardinal and later Archbishop of Naples. In 1555 he was elected Pope.
During his unfortunate reign occurred the final break between the Church of Rome and England. His pontificate was a great disappointment: he who at the beginning was honoured by a public statue lived to see it thrown down and mutilated by the hostile population of Rome. On the 18th August 1559 he died, and was buried in St. Peters, but his body was later transferred to another church.
Paul IV appears to have been better known by his Christian name Pietro; Caraffa is derived from the Latin "ara fides" which means "altar faith."
Pius IV (1559-1565) Aesculapii pharmacum
['The medicine of Aesculapius' or 'The Aesculapius of doctors' or 'Aesculapius medicine']


This pope was born at Milan in 1499. The Medicis of Milan lived in very humble circumstances and the proud house of Florence of the same name claimed no kindred with them until Cardinal Medici was seated on the Papal throne. After his studies in his twenty eighth year he went to Rome where his talents were appreciated by successive Popes. In the last year of Paul III's reign he was created a Cardinal and Julius III appointed him Commander of the Papal troops. Pius IV, by acclamation, he was pronounced Pope in 1560. He died in 1565.
Malachy's prophecy appears to be a reference to the Pope's family name ('Medici' which means 'medical doctor'), additionally the young Medici had studied medicine and was a qualified doctor.
St. Pius V (1566-1572) Angelus nemorosus
['The Angel of the wood' or 'The Angel of Bosco' or 'Angel of the Grove']

Born of a poor family in 1504 Antonio was educated by the Dominicans and entered that religious order in 1528. Pope Paul IV made him a Bishop in 1556 and a Cardinal in 1557. In the same year he was appointed Inquisitor General for all Christendom. When Pius IV wished to admit a thirteen year old boy into the Sacred College, Cardinal Ghisleri opposed and defeated the Pope and his plans. In 1566 he was elected Pontiff. He died in 1572. During his reign he excommunicated Queen Elizabeth I of England and wrote a letter to Mary Stuart in prison.
The prophecy refers to the Pope's Christian name Michele (Angelus) and his birthplace (Bosco) Lombardy. He was named after St. Michael the Archangel and so he was called Michael. He was born in Bosco, and 'Bosco' means 'grove.'
Gregory XIII (1572-1585) Medium corpus pilarum
[Half body of the balls]


Ugo was born at Bologna in 1502. He studied law and was appointed Judge of the Capitol by Pope Paul III. Paul IV appointed him a Bishop and Pius IV created him a Cardinal in 1564. After the death of Pius V in 1572 he was elected Pope. His main efforts were concentrated on restoring the Catholic faith in those countries that had become Protestant. No other act of Gregory XIII has gained for him a more lasting fame than his reform of the Julian calendar which was introduced in 1578. He died at Rome in 1585.
Malachy's interpreters give as an explanation for "Medium Corpus Pilarum" the fact that on his shield was a dragon naissant (the instance of an animal with only the upper part visible), and that Gregory XIII was created a Cardinal by Pius V who had six Torteaux (Pilias) on his Coat of Arms. Pope Gregory XIII had a dragon on his coat of arms with half a body. So his arms were a half-dragon and he was created a Cardinal by Pius IV who bore balls in his coat of arms. A Torteau (plural - 'torteaux') are heraldic roundel gules ('gules' is an Anglo-French word for the heraldic color red) or a roundel of red color. There were 5 red spheres on Pius IV's coat of arms. 
Sixtus V (1585-1590) Axis in medietate signi
['An axis in the midst of the sign' or 'Axle in the midst of a sign']

Felice was born the son of a gardener in 1521 and it is said of him that as a boy he worked as a swineherd. When nine years old he joined a convent where he was educated and ordained Priest in 1547. He soon became famous as a preacher and Pope Pius IV appointed him Counsellor to the Inquisition at Venice. In 1566 he was created a Bishop by Pius V and in 1570 Cardinal. In 1585 he was elected Pope after a conclave of four days. After a reign of five years he died in 1590.
Malachy's prophecy is a straightforward allusion to the Pope's coat of arms - who bears in his coat of arms an axle in the middle of a lion. 
Urban VII (1590) De rore caeli
[From the dew of Heaven]

Giovanni Battista was born at Rome in 1521 and was a nephew of Cardinal Jacovazzi. He studied civil and canon law and graduated as a doctor of both. In 1553 he was appointed Archbishop of Rossano and Julius III sent him as Governor to Fano in 1555. In 1573 he resigned his See and Gregory XIII sent him as Nuncio to Venice. In 1583 he was made a Cardinal. Three years later he became Inquisitor General of the Holy Office. He was elected Pope in 1590, on the 15th September, and his reign lasted only 13 days. He died on the 27th September 1590.
Urban VII had been Bishop of Rossano in Calabria where manna called "the dew of Heaven" is gathered. (Manna is a sweetish secretion from many trees-as the Manna Ash etc.) Yes, a sap called "the dew of heaven" is  gathered from the tree there. 
Gregory XIV (1590-1591) De antiquitate Urbis
['From the old city' or 'of the antiquity of the city']

Niccolo was born near Milan in 1553. His father Francisco, a Milanese senator, was, after the death of his wife, created a Cardinal by Pope Paul III in 1544. Niccolo was ordained priest and then appointed Bishop of Cremona in 1560. Gregory XIII created him Cardinal Priest of Santa Cecilia in 1583. In 1590 he succeeded Urban VII as Pope. He died in 1591.
Milan is an old city having been founded in 400 B.C. Gregory XIV's father was a senator of the ancient city of Milan. The word "senator" is derived from the Latin word "senex", meaning old man. 
Innocent IX (1591) Pia civitas in bello
['The pious city at war' or 'pious city in war']

Born in 1519 Giovanni became secretary to a Roman Cardinal and in 1560 Bishop. In 1575 he was appointed Patriarch of Jerusalem and in 1583 created Cardinal of the title of the Four Crowned Martyrs. During the reign of Gregory XIV much of the burden of the Papal administration rested on his shoulders and on the Pontiff's death he was raised to the Papacy. He died in 1591.
Malachy's Prpphecy obviously refers to the city of Jerusalem of which the Cardinal was Patriarch before succeeding to the Papacy.
Clement VIII (1592-1605) Crux Romulea
['The Roman cross' or 'Cross of Romulus']


Ippolito was born in 1536. His career was spectacular and he became Cardinal in 1585. His spiritual mentor had been Phillip Neri who remained his confessor for over thirty years. On his elevation to the Papacy Baronius became the Pope's confessor. He died in 1605. The adjective Romulus, meaning Roman, is also mentioned in one of the hymns of the Breviary. The Pope's coat of arms show an embattled bend which is also referred to as a Roman cross. Abbe Cucherat refers to the "cross of Ireland" Clement VIII had to bear at this time because the impoverished and persecuted country remained faithful to Rome. There has always been a very special regard for this Pope by the Irish. [During this Pope's reign the twenty-six martyrs of Japan were crucified; their canonization was reserved for the Pope to whom Malachy had given the description "Crux de Cruce".] Also Clement VIII had been a Cardinal with the title of St. Pancratius who was a Roman martyr. 
Leo XI (1605) Undosus Vir
['A billowy man; disappearing like the waves of the sea' or 'Wavy man' or 'man of the surging waves']

De Medici was born at Florence in 1535. He became ambassador to Pius V, representing the Duke of Tuscany, which position he held for fifteen years. Gregory XIII made him a Bishop in 1573, Archbishop of Florence in 1574 and Cardinal in 1583. After the death of Clement VIII he was elected Pope, but he died twenty-six days after his election in 1605.
It has been suggested that Malachy referred to the Pope's short reign. Although not borne out by his Papal coat of arms "Undosus Vir" is likely to be an allusion to his heraldic design. He had been the Bishop of Palestrina. The ancient Romans attributed the origins of Palestrina to the seafaring hero Ulysses. 
Paul V (1605-1621) Gens perversa
['The wicked race' or 'Corrupted nation']

Camillo was born in 1550. In 1596 he was made a Cardinal by Clement VIII and was appointed Cardinal Vicar of Rome. He was elected Pope in 1605. In 1606 Paul V wrote a letter to James I of England, congratulating him on his succession to the throne, expressing his grief about the plot recently made against the monarch's life and begging the King of England not to make the innocent Catholics suffer for the crime of a few non-Catholics who actually blamed the Catholics. He promised to exhort all the governors of the realm to be submissive and loyal to their sovereign in all things not opposed to the honour of God. Unfortunately the oath of allegiance demanded by James of his subjects contained clauses which had to be solemnly condemned by the Pope in 1607. This condemnation occasioned the bitter dissension between the monarchy and those governors who submitted to the decision of the Pope. Pope Paul V died in 1621.
St. Malachy's Prophecy is also an allusion to the Pope's armorial bearings which show a dragon and an eagle. These were often referred to as the "Gens Perversa." There is another interpretation which refers to the war between the Ghibelines and Guelphs whose crests were the dragon and the eagle.
Gregory XV (1621-1623) In tribulatione pacis
['In the disturbance of peace' or 'in the trouble of peace']

Alessandro was born in 1554, and became a Judge of the Capitol. In 1612 Paul V appointed him Archbishop of Bologna and it was he who, as Nuncio to Savoy, had to mediate between the Duke of Savoy and King Philip of Spain. In 1616 he was created Cardinal and he was elected successor to Pope Paul V in 1621. The relations between England and the Roman See assumed a more friendly character during his pontificate and Gregory XV was respected by the rulers of the continent, not only in religious affairs but also in matters of a purely political nature. He died in 1623.
Malachy's prophecy is an obvious reference to the Pope's activities as Nuncio which were mainly concerned with the restoration of disturbances which might have lead to wars. His reign corresponded with the outbreak of the Thirty Years War. 
Urban VIII (1623-1644) Lilium et rosa
[The lily and the rose]

He was born in 1568 and educated under the Jesuits. In 1601 he was appointed Papal Legate to France and in 1604 Archbishop of Nazareth. Later he was sent as Nuncio to Paris and in 1606 he was made a Cardinal by Paul V. He was elected Pope in 1623 and throughout his reign he concerned himself with the affairs of France and England. He died in 1644.
There is no doubt that his particular interest in the affairs of France (fleur de lis) and England (the rose) seems the most obvious explanation. He was a native of Florence. Florence, Italy has a huge red lily on its coat of arms. The coat of arms of England has red roses. 
Innocent X (1644-1655) Jucunditas crucis
[The joy of the cross]


Born in 1574 he became Nuncio at Naples and a Cardinal in 1626. He was elected Pope in 1644. He died in 1655. It is interesting to note that Innocent X was raised to the Pontificate after a long and difficult Conclave on the Feast of the Exaltation of the Cross.
Alexander VII (1655-1667) Montium custos
["The guardian of the hills" or "guard of the mountains"]

Fabio was born in 1599 of one of the most illustrious and powerful Italian families. He entered upon his ecclesiastical career in 1626 and held many posts and responsibilities. In 1651 he became Secretary of State to Innocent X who made him a Cardinal in 1652. In the Conclave of 1655, which lasted eighty days and which is famous for the clash of nation and faction, Chigi was unanimously elected Pope. He died in 1667.
Malachy's prophecy is an obvious allusion to the Pope's armorial bearings. His family arms include six hills with a star above them. 
Clement IX (1667-1669) Sydus Olorum
['Constellation of swans' or 'star of the swans']

Born in 1600 Giulio enjoyed the special favour of Urban VIII who made him Archbishop of Tarsus and sent him as Nuncio to the Spanish Court. In 1657 Alexander VII appointed him Cardinal and ten years later he was elected to the See of St. Peter. In 1668 he declared Rose of Lima to be the first American Saint. He died at Rome in December 1669.
The Pope's family came originally from Lombardy where its ancient history is well recorded. The Pope's family coat of arms has a shield on which was emblazoned a swan with stars overhead. Upon his election, he was apparently the occupant of the Chamber of Swans in the Vatican. Some call Pope Alexander a "star" since he made clement his personal secretary and the Italian word for swan, is "Cigni," rhymes with Pope Alexander's last name, "Chigi." 
Clement X (1670-1676) De flumine magno
[From the great river]

Emilio was born in 1590, and had a quite unspectacular career in the Church. Clement IX created him Cardinal when he was in his eighties. Unable to secure the election of any of the prominent candidates the Cardinals, after a Conclave of nearly five months, decided on electing a Cardinal of advanced years. Thus Clement X became pontiff. He died in 1676.
Malachy's prophecy concerning this Pope has these interesting meanings: Clement X was born at Rome in July 1590. In July 1590 the unusual phenomena of the Tiber overflowing its banks occurred, and this was noted in Moreri's interpretations of St. Malachy's prophecies. The other explanation is that Malachy's prophecy is a reference concerning the Pope's name which was Altieri (Alto Reo-----a deep river). He was a native of Rome. He decorated the bridge of Sant' Angelo with the ten statues of angels in Carrara marble still to be seen there. To Clement we owe the two beautiful fountains which adorn the Piazza of St. Peter's church near the tribune, where a monument has been erected to his memory. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04028b.htm
During previous pontificates he had held important offices and had been entrusted with delicate missions. Urban VIII gave him charge of the works designed to protect the territory of Ravenna, the city of Ravenna is the capital province of Romagna central Italy, on the left of the Rivers Montone and Ronco, the confluence of which is at Ravenna. So he was truly 'From the great river.'
The Corsini Canal, constructed by Clement XII in 1736, connects the city and the wet dock with Porto corsini, on the Adriatic Sea, which is now five miles away. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12662b.htm

Innocent XI (1676-1689) Bellua insatiabilis
[An insatiable beast]


Born in 1611. Benedetto was created a Cardinal by Innocent X. He was a strong candidate for the Papacy after the death of Clement IX, but the French Government rejected him. After the death of Clement X, King Louis XIV of France again intended to use his real influence against Cardinal Odescalchi's election, but the King yielded to the pressure of the Conclave and after an interregnum of two months he was unanimously elected in 1676 to the Papacy. He died in 1689.

Malachy's is a reference to the Pope's armorial bearings which show a lion and a bird of prey both of which had the reputation of being insatiable beasts. 
Alexander VIII (1689-1691) Poenitentia gloriosa
[Glorious repentance]

Pietro Ottoboni was born in 1610. He enjoyed all the wealth and social position of a descendant of one of the most noble families of Venice. He was made a Cardinal in 1652 and elected to the Papacy in 1689. He died in 1691.
It is likely that the prophecy may refer to the submission and consequent repentance of the Gallican Bishops, as well. Alexander VIII's full name was Pietro Ottoboni. His first name was "Pietro." The apostle Peter repented after he had denied his master three times. 
Innocent XII (1691-1700) Rastrum in porta
[The rake of the door]

Born in 1615 Antonio entered the Roman Curia at the age of twenty. In 1682 he was made a Cardinal and in 1687 Archbishop of Naples. As a compromise the Conclave chose Cardinal Pignatelli to succeed Alexander VIII. He died in 1700.
"Rastrum" means "at hand". It could also mean a rake. Interestingly Innocent XII's full name was Antonio Pignatelli del Restrello, and "Rastrello" in Italian means "rake!"
Clement XI (1700-1721) Flores circumdati
[Surrounded with flowers]

Giovanni was born in 1649 and at the age of twenty-eight was made a Prelate. In 1690 he was created a Cardinal and the Conclave of 1700 chose him, after deliberating for forty-six days, to be the successor to Innocent XII. He died in 1721.
Urbino, the city where the Pope was born, has a garland of flowers on its coat of arms. It is interesting to note that during the reign of Clement XI a coin was struck and on the exergue were the words "Flores Circumdati". This struck medal had become not only common property since 1595, but were extremely popular at that time. Clement XI had also been a Cardinal with the title of "San Maria in Aquiro," and the Blessed Virgin Mother has a close affinity with roses. In fact the word Rosary means "a garland of roses" or "crown of roses." It comes from the Latin, and the rose flower is one of the things that symbolizes Mother Mary.   
Innocent XIII (1721-1724) De bona Religione
[From a good religious background]

He was born in 1655, the son of Carlo II, Duke of Poli. He was created a Cardinal in 1706 and held various offices until in 1721 he was elected Pope in a stormy Conclave. He died in 1724.
This Pope belonged to the famous Conti family which has given so many Popes to the Church. Malachy's prophecy could therefore be translated "Of a good religious family". This explanation is shared by many medieval interpreters. Plus his name is 'Innocent.' 
Benedict XIII (1724-1730) Miles in bello
[The soldier in battle]

Born in 1649, he entered the Dominican order at the age of sixteen against the will of his parents. They appealed in vain to Clement IX. At the age of twenty-one he was promoted to a professorship and in 1672 elevated to the position of Cardinal. In 1686 a serious illness caused his transfer to Benevento where he remained for thirty eight years until he was elected Pope in 1724. His first concern as Pope was to enforce rigidly ecclesiastical discipline and he was unsparing in his efforts to abolish luxury and worldly pomp among the Cardinals. Malachy's Prophecy has also been understood to refer to the Pope's constant battle against the pomp and worldly interests of those around him and in touch with him.
Pope Benedict XIII (Pietro Francesco Orsini) was known as "Chevalier de St. Georges" by foreigners while he was still a Cardinal. ( http://www.pickle-publishing.com/papers/triple-crown-benedict-xiii.htm ) the phrase "Chevalier de St. Georges", by which Pope Benedict XIII was known by,  contains the name St .George. St. George was a soldier in war. He slayed the dragon. I believe he was a slayer of a real dragon and also of the seven vices.  The word "chevalier" is an English word that means "a knight, a chivalrous man." It is originally from Old French and it means "knight." Interestingly Antipope Benedict XIII (Pedro de Luna) of the Great Western Schism amalgamated the Knights of St. George with the Aragonese Order of Montesa, and thereafter known as the "Order of Montesa and St. George of Alfama." These Orders were dedicated to the veneration of St .George, the patron of knighthood, and they were military Orders. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13350a.htm Cardinal Orsini, in honor of Benedict XI who was a member of the Dominican Order, took the name of Benedict XIV which he shortly changed to Benedict XIII, for Peter de Luna who had previously borne the name (1394-1423) was a schismatic. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02431a.htm So Pope Benedict XIII truly was a "Soldier in War"- 'Miles in bello.'

Clement XII (1730-1740) Columna excelsa
[A lofty pillar or lofty column]

Lorenzo was born in 1652 and the number of members of his family who had risen to high positions in the Church is innumerable. In 1691 he became Archbishop and Nuncio of Vienna. In 1756 he was created a Cardinal and made Papal Treasurer. His elevation to the Papacy in 1730 caused no surprise. In the second year of his Pontificate he became totally blind. He died in his eighty-eighth year in 1740. When still a Cardinal, he had held the title of St. Peter in chains. The name 'Peter' is derived from the Greek "petros,' meaning "rock." Clement was a frustrated architect who ordered, and sometimes interfered with, the building of many churches. He managed to salvage two columns of the Parthenon for his chapel at Mantua.
The prophecy can also be an allusion to a bronze statue erected by the Romans to this Pope's memory. The Pope also built a chapel in St. John Lateran's where he wished to be buried. A reference Columna is usually an allusion to the fact that one of the Colonna family would succeed to the Papacy.
Benedict XIV (1740-1758) Animal rurale
[Animal of the field or country animal]

Prospero was born in 1675 and at the age of nineteen he received the degrees of Doctor of Theology and Doctor of Canon and Civil Law. In 1727 he was made Bishop and in 1728 Cardinal. When Clement XII died the Conclave lasted for six months and the election then seemed no nearer than at the beginning. Cardinal Lambertini, who had been proposed as a compromise, addressed the Conclave saying: "If you wish to elect a Saint, choose Gotti; a statesman, Aldabrandini; an honest man, elect me". Lambertini was chosen and took the name of Benedict XIV. He died in 1758.The fact that the Pope wrote away at his desk like a "plodding ox", which, according to the old writers, was typical of the persevering steady worker. (St. Thomas Aquinas was called the dumb ox by his fellow students because he fed his mind and ruminated silently.) Lastly his surname "Lambertini" had the word "Lamb" in it. 
Clement XIII (1758-1769) Rosa Umbriae
[The rose of Umbria]

Carlo was born at Venice in 1693 and became Bishop of Padua in 1743. In 1747 he became a Cardinal and in 1758 he was elected Pope. He died in 1769.
During his Pontificate he raised to the dignity of Saints a great number of persons belonging to the Franciscan order, mystically called "Rosa Umbriae." He had been a cardinal with the title of Santa Maria in Aracoeli. In mystical circles the Virgin Mary is represented by a rose. 
Clement XIV (1769-1774) Ursus velox
[The swift bear]

He was born in 1705. He received his education from the Jesuits of Rimini and at the age of nineteen he entered the order of the Franciscans. Clement XIII gave him the Cardinal's hat in 1759 and the Conclave of 1769 chose him to succeed Clement XIII. Under his pontificate the Jesuits were suppressed. He died in 1774. The Ganganelli family crest bore a running bear. 
Pius VI (1775-1799) Peregrinus Apostolicus
[The pilgrim pope or apostolic wanderer]


Giovanni was born in 1717. He became Papal secretary in 1755 and Clement XIV made him a Cardinal in 1755. After this, he retired to the Abbey of Subiaco (of which he was Abbot) until his election in the same year. He died in 1799.
The prophecy  is explained by the well known facts of the Pope's life. His extremely long Pontifical reign had led contemporary writers to refer to him as the Apostolic Pilgrim on Earth. He spent the last 2 years of his life in exile, a prisoner of the French Revolution. During Pius VI's reign he traveled to Germany to confer with emperor Joseph II. In the last 2 years of his life he was forced by revolutionaries to flee to Rome. After a very difficult journey over the alps, he died in France, he was definitely a wanderer. 
Pius VII (1800-1823) Aquila rapax
[A rapacious eagle/ greedy eagle]

This pope was born in 1740 and his elevation to the Papacy was foretold, as Pius VII himself later related, by his mother, who in 1763 had entered the convent of Carmelites. Pius VI created him a Cardinal in 1786 and the Conclave elected him Pope in 1800. He died in 1823. The Pope's pontificate was overshadowed by Napoleon whose emblem was the eagle. Napoleon and Pius were continually in conflict, Napoleon ordering that the Pope comply with his demands. After Pius VII excommunicated Napoleon, he was kidnapped and imprisoned by Napoleon's officers. Eventually Napoleon formed an agreement with Pius VII, that weighed heavily in his own favor. 
Leo XII (1823-1829) Canis et coluber
[A dog and a serpent]

Born in 1760, Annibale became a Priest at the age of only twenty-three. In 1820 he was made Vicar of Rome and after Pius VII's death was elected to the Papacy. He died in 1829.
As matters stand Malachy's prophecy concerning Leo XII may be a reference to two of the Pope's most outstanding virtues: vigilance, which one associates with a dog; and prudence, commonly associated with the serpent. The prophecy is also an allusion to Leo XII's last name, 'Sermattei.' "Serpente" is the Italian word for snake. He was also aggressive in implementing and spreading Christianity and ecclesial laws.

Pius VIII (1829-1830) Vir religiosus
[A religious man]

Francesco was born in 1761 and attended a Jesuit school. In 1800 Pius VII appointed him Bishop of Moltalto and he held various episcopal sees. As early as the Conclave of 1823 Castiglioni was among the candidates for the Papacy. Cardinal Wiseman relates that this Pope's elevation to the Papacy, as well as the name he was to assume, was predicted by Pius VII for, on a certain occasion, the Pope addressed Cardinal Castiglioni and said, "Your Holiness Pius VIII may one day settle this matter". At the election of 1829 he succeeded Pius VII and he died on the 1st December 1830.
Malachy's may refer to the fact (Religiosus) that the Pope had come from a family which was well known for its deep faith and that he was not the first Pope this family had given to the Church. "Religiousus" can also mean the same as Pius, thus foreshadowing his name.
Gregory XVI (1831-1846) De balneis etruriae
[Bath of Etruria]

Prior to his election he was member of an order founded by Saint Romuald, at Balneo, in Etruria, present day Tuscany. Pope Gregory belonged to the Camaldolese order of monks. The Camaldolese order is said to have begun with 2 monastic houses. The first of these houses was Capus Maldoli, and the second was Fonte Buono. "Fonte Buono" is Italian for "good fountain." 
Pius IX (1846-1878) Crux de cruce
[The cross from a cross]

The loss of his temporal power was only one of many trials [crosses] that filled the long pontificate of Pius IX. There was scarcely a country where the rights of the Church were not infringed upon. In many countries Church property was confiscated, religious orders expelled, and Bishops imprisoned or banished. The height of these disturbances was reached during the Kulturkampf inaugurated in 1873 - when Germany, Bavaria, Prussia, Hesse, Baden, etc and other places across Europe were intervening in ecclesiastical affairs and trying to govern the Church. Pius XI was a prisoner in the Vatican when the Papal States were taken from him. He was the last Pope to govern the Pontifical States, after the House of Savoy whose coat of arms is a white cross, reunited Italy and removed Pius IX from his control of the Papal States. 
Leo XIII (1878-1903) Lumen in caelo
[A light in the sky]

This is the first of Malachy's prophecies for the years after 1590 which appears to be a straightforward allusion to the Pope's armorial bearings which show a blazing star in the coat of arms. His great encyclicals could also be called "a light in the sky". Pope Leo XIII's coat of arms features a comet in the sky. Bishops of the Catholic church create a coat of arms. Pope Leo XIII was made Bishop on February 19th, 1843. That means that Leo XIII created his coat of arms, which featured a comet in the sky-- 35 years before he became the Pope in 1878. He was identified with a light in the sky, long before he became Pope or knew that he would become Pope. 
St. Pius X (1903-1914) Ignis ardent
[The burning fire]

Pius X's reign saw the Russian -Japanese War, the Mexican Revolution, and the first and 2nd Balkan wars. It was also at the end of his reign that WWI began which set Europe on fire. He had the burning zeal and endeavor to guard against the foe of heresy that characterized his reign, as well as his unquenchable desire to promote piety among the faithful. He was the first Pope canonized in over 400 years. 
Benedict XV (1914-1922) Religio depopulata
[Religion laid waste]

The years of Pope Benedict's papacy were overshadowed by the death of millions of Catholics in World War I. 1917 saw the beginning of the Russian Revolution which brought about the end of religious life in this formerly Catholic populated country. Religio Depopulata is one of Malachy's prophecies which have unfortunarely been fulfilled true to the letter of the word. The Communists declared war against God. 
Pius XI (1922-1939) Fides intrepida
[Unshaken faith or intrepid faith]

Elevated to the Papacy in 1922 he faced the rise of Fascism and Communism in the Western world. Vatican documents reveal the tremendous pressure which was put on this Pope by the dictators of Italy and Germany and Russia's world Communism. Again, one could say that it was the Pontiff's "Fides Intrepida" --- his unshaken faith --- in what he believed to be right which may have prevented even greater hardship than that which befell the Catholic Church during his reign. His courage at which Hitler sneered and raged and before which Mussolini crumbled; his outspoken criticism against Fascism and Communism which upset the ruthless plans of the dictators, and his unshaken faith, all sustained the Church in a period of the most severe trials. Malachy's description appears to be a most fitting one for Pope Pius XI.
Pius XII (1939-1958) Pastor angelicus
[An angelic shepherd]

March 2nd was the birth of Pope Pius XII. And on the Byzantine Rite calendar it is the day of Bright Tuesday and it is dedicated to Acts 2:14-21 and St. Luke 24:12-35. Interestingly they both talk about visions. Visions are indeed a bright thing since Pope Pius XII described the ones he saw as bright and very luminous. Although the contents of his visions have not yet become public knowledge there is little doubt that his affinity to the spiritual world was a very real and close one. The description Pastor Angelicus is most apt and one of the most descriptive in St. Malachy's prophecies. He is indeed and truly the Angelic Pastor because he battled against the impurity spreading in the world - vigorously. In Catholic theology the Angelic Virtue is purity (of heart and body). One of the things he is so well known for and extremely famous for is combating impurity. And he spread the purity crusade. He spread the angelic virtue, he is therefore the angelic pastor; this is what really marked his pontificate. The Purity Crusade of Mary Immaculate was launched/initiated on December 8th, 1944 the Feast of the Immaculate Conception during Pope Pius XII's pontificate. Pope Pius XII, imparted on two different occasions his Apostolic Blessing to the Marylike Crusade, on July 14, 1954, and on May 11, 1955, "to the members, to their Directors and Moderators, to their families, and loved ones, and to all who further their laudable movement for modesty in dress and behavior." Purity is what makes men like angels on earth. He spoke out vigorously against impurity. He is also called the "great Champion of Christian modesty." This same message was given by Our Lady of Fatima in similar words; "The sins that lead most souls to hell are the sins of the flesh." Our Lady of Fatima's first appearance in 1917 was on the very day and very hour of Pope Pius XII's consecration as Bishop in the Sistine Chapel of Rome, May 13th, 1917. He was truly Mary's Pope. There are many speeches that can be cited; he certainly was a champion of the Angelic Virtue, holy purity. Pope Pius XII is the Angelic Shepherd. In the Byzantine Rite calendar, Pope Pius XII died after the solemn 'Feast of Archangel Michael and all Angels.' He died 3:00 AM October 9th, and the feast is October 8th! The Catholics that suffered the most under Communism were those in the Byzantine Rite (i.e Ukrainian Catholics etc). And Our Lady said the Holy Father will have much to suffer.
John XXIII  (1958-1963)+ Pastor et Nauta
[Pastor and mariner]

Prior to his election as antipope he was pseudo-Patriarch of Venice, 
a marine city and he frequently wore clothing featuring a large sail boat. 
Paul VI (1963-1978) Flos florum
[Flower of flowers]

History: His arms displayed three lilies,
which forms the shape of the flower of flowers, the fleur de lis (iris blossoms). His coat of arms truly featured a lily among lilies. He was truly a Flower among flowers. 
John Paul I (1978) De medietate Lunae
[Of the half of the moon]
born in Canale d'Ogardo, diocese of Belluno, [beautiful moon] he was elected antipope on August 26, and began his reign when there was exactly a half moon in the sky: his reign lasted about a month, from half a moon to the next half moon. Interestingly 'Albino Luciani' the name of antipope John Paul 1 means "white light" - and the half moon gives off white light! 'Albino' means "white" and 'Luciani' means "light"
John Paul II (1978-2005) De labore Solis
[Of the eclipse of the sun, or from the labor of the sun]

Karol Wojtyla was born on May 18, 1920 during a solar eclipse. On that date in the morning there was a near total eclipse of the sun over Europe. Like the sun he came out of the East (Poland). Like the sun he has visited countries all around the globe while doing his work. He was the most traveled person in history. He died at the Vatican on Saturday, April 2, 2005, the same day as a partial eclipse of the sun, visible in the Americas. He also comes from behind the former Iron Curtain; He might also be seen as an enemy of the Woman Clothed with the Sun laboring in Apocalypse 12: because of his being the eclipse of the Catholic Church. Blocking it out of view, out of the view of many for the most part,  as predicted by Our Lady of La Salette. He truly was  from the Toil of the Sun. 
Benedict XVI
(2005-2013) Gloria olivae
[The glory of the olive]

Ratzinger named himself after Pope Benedict XV and St. Benedict. The Order that St .Benedict founded has a branch called the Olivetans. They are the white monks of the Benedictine Order. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11244c.htm and Benedict XVI decided to wear white as an antipope. So we see Ratzingers' connection with the Olive, in naming himself after St .Benedict. also Mount Olivet is the name applied to "the hill that is over against Jerusalem (1 kings 11:7)  http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11244b.htm and it has been a location of so many famous events of Biblical history. Olives are no doubt a reference to the Jews, whom Ratzinger is the champion of. He is most likely an eastern European Talmudist/Jew. 
Jorge Mario Bergoglio In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oues in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis ciuitas septicollis diruetur, & Iudex tremêdus iudicabit populum suum: Finis.
[In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock among many tribulations;after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed, and the dreadful Judge will judge the people: The end.]
The last motto (which would be the 112th) was not numbered by St. Malachy. This is because Jorge Bergoglio is just a layman. St .Malachy simply named the last claimant to the papacy as Peter of Rome since the first Pope was St. Peter - and papal claimants have avoided and never take the name 'Peter' out of honor for St. Peter.  Jorge is a false Peter.

TCE note:  By attempting to ignore the conditions under which we reply to e-mails - that is, we must receive a rebuttal of every fact we bring in defence of our position before accepting further mail from anyone seeking dialogue, we are not bound by any promise to respond further.  This morass of material on 'popes' also contains many irrelevant and unprovable claims that  contradict 'Herman's' supposed stance on Papal Rome making their introduction a thorough 'red herring'!  Since 'Herman' considers every accusation he makes to be fact, and also makes it clear that he either does not read replies with any care or chooses to ignore them and then continues his bigoted rants, we decided to work on a response only in spare moments free from more important ministry to lost people genuinely seeking the True Saviour and His gospel.


'Herman' replies (again!):  20th June 2012 - 1.31AM
Subject:  True

'Herman' replies:

It seems that you are not going to reply. That is understandable: being that you have been utterly refuted point by point and devastated. I have also demonstrated to you the falsity of the Protestant cult, its inconsistencies, fable and fiction. Against a fact there is no argument, and against this fact there answer: Protestantism continues on its journey dividing, subdividing, splitting, and contradicting itself. Protestant cults vote on morality in their self appointed committes; a prime example is the sodomite Protestant "pastor" Jeremiah Wright of Chicago, who decided [in his denomination] to vote the sodomite lifesyle as a pleasing thing before the eyes of God and that it is morally acceptable. I must point out to you that morality is not based on votes, but on the Law of God. Martin Luther claims that he came up with his false doctrine of 'justification by faith alone' while on the toilet. He said that it came as "knowledge the Holy spirit gave me on the privy in the tower"(Quoted in Willaim Manchester, A World Lit only By Fire: The Medieval Mind and the Renaissance Little Brown & Co., 1993, p.140.) The authenticity of this quote is not disputed but ipenly admitted by Protestatn defenders of Luther. This is from Luther's Table Talk "..I have committed many a solid and real sin. Indeed there must be good honest sins - not fabricated and invented ones.." Martin Luther had a satanic mindset and said Jesus Christ was guilty of fornication: "Christ committed adultery first of all with the women at the well about whom St. John tells us. Was not everybody about Him saying: 'Whatever has He been doing with her?' Secondly, with Mary Magdalene, and thirdly with the women taken in adultery whom He dismissed so lightly. Thus even, Christ who was so righteous, must have been guilty of fornication before He died." (Trishreden, Weimer Edition. Vol.2. Pg. 107.)

Martin Luther, Letter to Melanchthon, August 1, 1521: "preach a true and not a fictitious grace; if grace is true, you must bear a true and not a fictitious sin. God does not save people who are only fictitious sinners. Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly, for he is victorious over sin, death, and the world. As long as we are here [in the world] we have to sin...No sin will separate us from the Lamb, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day... Pray boldly - you too are a mighty sinner." Martin Luther was fascinated by crude and disturbing subject matter. Protestant scholars have noted that Luther's fascination with crude subjects is disquieting. He admittedly had much interaction with the Devil. "These [demons] would haunt the imagination of Martin Luther who had visions, which he believed to be actual physical occurrences, of the devil hurling [excrement] at him and his hurling it back. Indeed, in one of his many anal combats with the devil - in which Luther would challenge the devil to 'lick' his posterior - Luther thought the best tactic might be to 'throw him into my anus, where he belongs.'" (H.W. Crocker, Triumph, Roseville, CA: Prima Publishing, 2001, p.237.)He also said that God is the author of evil and bestows merit on those who don't deserve it, and damns others who don't deserve it. He taught man had no free will. He said good works are worse than sin and to avoid them. This filthy man is touted as some sort of hero by Protestants blindly oblivious about his writings and teachings. He also threw and rejected the book of James and Hebrews and other books out the New Testament, but other Protestants retained them. He also threw 7 books out of the Old Testament. He also rejected the book of Revelation as spurious. He said filthy words against Moses and the Ten Commandments. And he said not to follow them. He also added the word "alone" in Romans 3:28 and bragged about it. He said many highly disturbing things. Your founder (of Protestantism) was a pervert. But the Founder of the Catholic Church, the Lord Jesus Christ, was perfect and spotless. Your doctrines are based on and were concocted by a pervert, that is why you can't attempt even to answer the thorough refutations I made to your poorly constructed email.

Herman Benedict
The Cripple

TCE note:  quite why 'Herman' added 'The Cripple' with highlighting to the end of his e-mail is a mystery ... but he is clearly a tormented soul.  Please pray for him.


TCE replies: 24th June 2012
Subject: Re: True

Dear Herman

it would do you well to read more carefully before beginning to crow about your imagined triumphs!

We wrote: 'Since we have already written many pages in response to almost identical claims made against 'Protestantism' and 'Fundamentalism' by Papal Roman Catholics, we will limit ourselves to these responses for now.

Should you raise any further issues without addressing the questions we have raised we will only reply to them on completion of the website updates.'

Since we are still involved in updating our pages replying to mail from Papists - and we have already shown the time scales in which we normally reply - your mail will certainly not earn a faster response by your repetition of your earlier claims.

It will certainly be weeks or months before we take another look at your attempted ripostes.

In Christ Jesus



'Herman replies' again:  25th June 2012

I replied to each of your fatuous claims point by point and you have not made a response because you realize your - quite frankly - poor scholarship  was totally devastated to a tee.  Because you are a blind protestant Heretic you failed to realize that my previous communication was sent as a complaint of your failure to respond to a previous email that utterly decimated all your weak claims. So your claim that I never addressed the questions you brought forward is mooted. You must not be a good reader. You are also not very good at using English vocabulary because you asserted I made ripostes when actually my responses to your email were slow. You are a protestant Heretic on the path to condemnation and it is in your best interest to visit www.vaticancatholic.com

It is actually laughable that you retort I had "imagined triumphs" when in fact you are the one on the losing end and unable to refute even one refutation that I made to your very weak points. Your protestant fundamentalist Heretic banter is certainly not getting you anywhere. I am not impressed at all by your ridiculous face-saving repartee. Your poor colloquy needs much improvement. I await a balanced and honest reply to each of the points in the May 15th communication. You must be a sad and desperate person to follow a man who claims to have come up with his teaching on "justification by faith alone"  while seated on the toilet. He says that it came as "knowledge the "Holy Spirit" gave me on the privy in the tower." He also said sins were "good and honest." Martin Luther was fascinated by crude and disturbing subject matter. Protestant Heretic scholars have noted that Luther's fascination with crude subjects is disquieting. He admittedly had much interaction with the Devil. "These [demons] would haunt the imagination of Martin Luther who had visions, which he believed to be actual physical occurrences, of the devil hurling [excrement] at him and his hurling it back. Indeed, in one of his many anal combats with the devil - in which Luther would challenge the devil to 'lick' his posterior - Luther thought the best tactic might be to 'throw him into my anus, where he belongs.'" (H.W. Crocker, Triumph, Roseville, CA: Prima Publishing, 2001, p.237.)

That's pretty sad. Your false religion came from the toilet. It came from a man actually seated on a toilet.

Learn some history

http://calvarychapelabuse.com/wordpress/?p=519 [
TCE: link no longer working]

TCE:  Rather than waste time high-lighting in red 'Herman's' usual massive collection of errors of fact, reason, spelling, grammar, etc. in these two e-mails we will just refer him to the past titles that cover our refutations of his efforts:


TCE replies:  18th October 2012

Dear Herman

we would have hoped to find the time to devote to a reply to your last e-mail before now but have been over-run with e-mails in the last year.

However, we still hope to send a reply before the year is out!

If this is too tardy for you, or you do not desire to receive a reply, we would appreciate a reply to that effect (although we intend to complete a reply some time in the not-too-distant future!).

This is one of many e-mails being sent out to those who have written to us, so we appreciate your patience.

Again, thank you for your time and effort.

In Christ Jesus



'Herman' replies:  26th October 2012

I will be waiting for a fair and balanced  reply.

TCE: Anyone reading this will wonder how 'Herman' knows the words 'fair and balanced' - never mind what they actually mean!


Reply to all Papal Roman Catholics:  31st December 2012

Dear Friend

our intention was to find the time to devote to a reply to your e-mails  before the year was out, but we have been over-run with work.

We still intend to complete a reply some time in the not-too-distant future.

This is one of many e-mails being sent out to those who have written to us, so we appreciate your patience.

Again, thank you for your time and effort.

We hope you have had a God-blessed time in this season of paying particular attention to the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ and pray you will also be blessed in the coming New Year.

In the Name of the Saviour, Christ Jesus our Lord.



Reply to all Papal Roman Catholic writers:  29th March 2013

Dear Friend

we have not forgotten your e-mails on Roman Catholic claims and still intend to complete a reply some time in the 'not-too-distant' future.

Since other work will almost always take precedence over e-mails we will continue to work on our replies when possible.

However, in time we will address all your points - both to your supplied e-mail address and on our web-pages (in case you fail to receive our direct replies for some unknown reason and so other seekers after Christian truth can compare your claims with our response).

Again, this is one of many e-mails being sent out to those who have written to us, so we appreciate your patience.

Thank you for your time, effort and patience.

In the Name of the Saviour, Christ Jesus our Lord.



TCE replies: 24th September 2013 (begun!)

Dear Herman

since you have failed to even read our replies carefully we have not rushed to reply but merely limit ourselves to the briefest refutations of your supposed facts point by point and, throughout your text - in which you do not supply a single fact to refute our claims but, instead, rely on false accusation, ad hominem attacks, and bluster (while attempting to deny that we can use an argument) - we will highlight your replies in this purple font:

You write:  You seem to be sure of yourself, I ask you now this, in logic: Are you infallible? Is your interpretation of the bible infallible? If so, how so? The Protestant claims to follow "the preserved infallible word of God", however, it is an astounding contradiction in that they all disagree with each other on fundamental points of doctrine.

TCE:   Protestant ekklesiae agree on all fundamentals!

You write:  They all proclaim loudly from the roof tops that the "holy" spirit will guide the individual bible "believer" to truth, but obviously the countless Protestant denominations and their continual dissensions stand as a proof that the Protestant hermeneutic (of private interpretation) is obviously very false(hence, they are without Truth - but only falsity).  Do you mean to say that each of the Protestants has a different "holy" spirit and that indeed the various "holy" spirits contradict each other and themselves?

TCE:   We have explained clearly how the Lord Jesus Christ promised true believers would be led 'into all truth' (John 14:26; 16:7ff. etc.) and the contradictions of Papal Rome show this has clearly never happened under the leadership of the popes.

You write:  So when you say the Roman Catholic has to embrace the Protestant false religion, is it not foolishness?  Need you be reminded that the southern Baptist denomination (the largest Protestant sect in the world) is a false religion that arose from a theological defense of racism and slavery? Was this the "word of God?

Richard Furman president of the SBC in 1822: "The right of owning slaves is clearly established in the holy scriptures both by precept and example." When the civil war ended, southern Baptists continued to denounce emancipation as contrary to the will of God. It is interesting to note that Furman was against slavery prior to his conversion to the southern Baptist false religion. Protestantism is corrupt and has been since its inception.

TCE:  Firstly, we have never written the words you accuse us of:  'you say the Roman Catholic has to embrace the Protestant false religion ...'!  For you to make such a claim we will merely quote you: 'is it not foolishness?'  You then supply an accusation apparently based on the ignorant views of one man but, while it is true that the 'Southern Baptist' denomination has now embraced considerable error and we follow Scriptural admonition (1 Corinthians 11:19) to never align ourselves with such groups, they still have a long way to fall before they sink as low as (historical and contemporary) Papal Rome.  The torture and persecution of so many who refused to accept the decrees of the popes makes it impossible for you to point the finger at any other religion bar Islam (and atheist leaders who murdered so many in World Wars in the last century - many of them killed by Hitler who was clearly inspired by the example of Papal Rome)!

You write:  Sola Fide is the most unbiblical belief there is. No one believed in Sola Fide for 1500 years. That doctrine is therefore false.

TCE:  We have amply proven 'sola Fide' already - for the truth that early Christians, including the apostles inspired to supply the written record, also recognised the truth of the doctrine, read our page under the following heading:

Can Rome logically deny Sola Scriptura?

Also notice that your claim that '
No one believed in Sola Fide for 1500 years. That doctrine is therefore false' means that you must also recognise that the many doctrines that Papal Rome invented over the centuries, despite the ideas never appearing in the Bible (or even your Apocrypha), are 'therefore false'.  Thus you admit that two particularly ridiculous doctrines of Papal Rome ('Papal infallibility' - invented 1870 - and 'The Assumption of Mary' - invented in 1950) are 'therefore false'! QED

Why accuse 'Protestants' of believing that Christians 'fall in and out of heaven' depending on their sinfulness?!

You write:  My question to you is: Do you believe it is possible for a Christian to commit sin? If your answer is yes, you are therefore admitting that a Christian will go to hell for sinning. If your answer is no, that it is impossible for a Christian to sin, then you are admitting that sinners [those who commit sin] enter Heaven.  Another question: Do you believe a Christian ceases to be a Christian when they sin?

TCE:   Your foolish simplistic Pharisaical attempt to trap us and disprove God's Word is amply answered by Scripture and Romans 7:12-25 states it so clearly that only the most foolish will fail to see the truth about the 'war waged in our members':

'Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

1Timothy 5:20: 'Them that sin reprove in the sight of all, that the rest also may be in fear'.

Further refutation of the fable that Luther's famous insight was received 'on the privy in the tower'!

You write:  A little history; Martin Luther claimed that he came up with justification by faith alone while on the toilet. He claims that it came as "knowledge the Holy Spirit gave me on the privy in the tower."(Quoted in Willaim Manchester, A World Lit only By Fire: The Medieval Mind and the Renaissance Little Brown & Co., 1993, p.140.) So this is where your belief in Sola Fide came from. The man responsible for your belief in Sola Fide taught: "God does not save people who are only fictitious sinners. Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly, for he is victorious over sin, death, and the world.

TCE:  Perhaps you should have shown less haste in your rush to gloat over your hopeful belief that Luther was inspired in what you, childishly, believe to be a horrendous and inappropriate place to be even thinking of holy matters.  Does the abbreviation 'cl.' have only one possible definition? Does cloaca have to be the only word that can be derived from an apparent abbreviation in a friends 'Table Talk' notes?   We wrote in our earlier mail: 'He once told the Wittenberg congregation that it was while he and Philipp Melanchthon were having a beer that the Word of God reformed the church!'  Since the Hebrew word:  מַחֲרָאָה - machara'ah (definition: a cloaca, cesspool) - is also translated 'draught house' in the Authorised Version some argue that it was at this 'draught house' where he was enjoying a beer that the 'Word of God' came to Luther and 'reformed the church'.  But, whatever the truth, considering Luther's medical history we gave you in the first mail, do you believe that people handicapped by severe health problems can only have 'holy' thoughts in places designated by you?  Are you foolishly claiming that any poor soul suffering for their faith in a dungeon that also served as their toilet would be unable to have 'holy thoughts'?  Would they also be unable to receive the Word of God and pray to Him and be saved?  Such an evil way of thinking is to put yourself above God and limit what He can do.

Had you simply referred to sources you ought to have more regard for - since they are sourced from Papal Rome (e.g. 
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/0460a.htm ) you would find this definition, under 'cloister':

'The English equivalent of the Latin word
clausura (from claudere, "to shut up"). This word occurs in Roman law in the sense of rampart, barrier, [cf. Code of Justinian, 1. 2 sec. 4; De officiis Praef. Praet. Africae (1, 27), 1. 4 De officiis mag. officiorum (I, 31)]. In the "Concordia Regularum" of St. Benedict of Aniane, c. xli, sec. 11, we find it in the sense of "case", or "cupboard" (Migne, P.L., CIII, 1057). In modern ecclesiastical usage, clausura signifies, materially, an enclosed space for religious retirement; formally, it stands for the legal restrictions opposed to the free egress of those who are cloistered or enclosed and to the free entry, or free introduction, of outsiders within the limits of the material clausura'.

Under 'Synopsis of existing legislation' the page explains:

'The actual legislation distinguishes between religious orders and institutes with simple vows; institutes of men and those of women ... A convent is defined as a building which serves as a fixed dwelling-place where religious live according to their rule'

before descending into the most painful description of this un-Biblical ascetic life which brings to mind the Jesus' warnings to the original heretics who Papal Rome decided to model itself on (Matthew 23:23):

'Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone'.

Far from following His Words (Matthew 5:20):

'For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven'

and ensuring you follow His detailed advice (Matthew 5:14-16):

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven'

we find
The Catholic Encyclopaedia instruction to hide from the world in the most painful detail:

'However, cloistered nuns are not absolutely forbidden all intercourse with the outside world. They may of course receive letters; they may also receive visitors in the convent parlour, provided that they they [
sic] remain behind the grating, or grille, erected there. For such visits a reasonable cause and a permission from the bishop is usually needed . The permission, however, is not required in case of those who, by virtue of their office, are obliged to have relations with a convent, viz. the ecclesiastical superior, the confessor (for spiritual affairs), the canonical visitor, etc. Except in Advent and Lent, relatives and children are permitted once a week. The conditions for a visit by a male religious are very severe; according to some authors he can only receive permission if he is a blood relation to the first or second degree, and then only four times a year. Further, although an irregular visit on the part of a lay person or secular priest does not constitute a grave a fault, any visit without leave is a mortal sin for the religious. Such is the severity of the prohibition contained in the decree of the Congregation of the Council, dated 7 June, 1669. However, the conditions commonly required for a mortal sin must be present. For that reason some eminent theologians do not think there is a mortal sin if the conversation does not last for a quarter of an hour ©. d'Annibale, Summula theol., III, n. 228). It should be noted, at the same time, that certain usages have mitigated the rigour of the laws here mentioned. In Spain, for instance, the permission of the diocesan authority is never asked for making such visits. And of course the law itself affects only convents where the inmates pronounce solemn vows'.

It is easy to see where the mind influenced by such un-Biblical reasoning can begin religious rants against true Christians while failing to even get a glimpse of the truth of Matthew 7:3-6:

'And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you'.

You presume that an abbreviation must mean only one thing and then you use the same 'toilet joke' repeatedly without proving that is all it can mean in your desire to use ad hominem attacks on all you deem 'Protestants'!

(Continued on page 356)

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The mistake you make is to believe bringing Martin Luther down will destroy the beliefs of orthodox Christians!

Luther was a product of Roman Catholic error and pagan philosophy who put far too much trust in Augustine!

Papal Rome's 'Indulgences' and 'Prayers for the Dead' are clearly cruel, un-Biblical, deceptions!

Luther started off well before falling back to Rome's false position that God had rejected the Jews - and the 'new Israel' was the Christian church!

Luther's failings don't begin to compare with Papal Rome's vile pogroms, Inquisitions, and paedophilic priests and nuns!

Paedophiles in 177 out of 179 Roman Catholic diocese and archdiocese!

Compare Papal Rome's flagellation with the sins of Luther who learnt his traits from Rome and not from the Bible!

Papal Roman Catholics claim that Luther came up with 'justification by faith alone' while on the toilet!

Do all Roman Catholic writers try and make use of 'Table Talk' to score points against Luther?

You confuse cults with 'Protestants' and 'fundamentalists' -  but Rome can never disturb Biblical reasoning and historical facts!

Why accuse 'Protestants' of believing that Christians 'fall in and out of heaven' depending on their sinfulness?!

Further refutation of the fable that Luther's famous insight was received 'on the privy in the tower'!

Accusations refuted by 'Luther's Preface to the Small Catechism'!

Blanket rejection of facts and reasons given by orthodox Christians is not an answer!

Hurling wild, unproven accusations without a single example to support your ludicrous claims is not refutation! 

Ignoring our refutations of the claims made for Padre Pio is not refutation any more than your constant ad hominem attacks!

Stating that our facts are 'simply ridiculous' and ignoring our clearly stated reply is not refutation!

Sadly, the demonic blindness you labour under has persuaded you that the "stigmatist" who treated YOU was our experience!?

Claims made without a shred of supporting evidence proves your desperation!

A sad descent into blatant demonic Nazism!

Claiming that 'Protestants abuse more kids than Papal Rome' is thoroughly refuted by the following facts!

Courts worldwide reveal Papal Rome to be the abuser of men, women, and children - as history has long revealed!

Even these meetings reveal the extent of the End Times Apostasy in 'Protestant' churches! 

An example of Papal Rome's involvement with the religions of the world in the Great Apostasy!

Figures show Rome has the most sexual offenders of all religions - and only the secular world exceeds their filth!

Inventing scapegoats, denial, or hiding their perverts, has always been Rome's methodology!

On 28 May, 2014, Pope Francis admitted Papal Rome's priests committed child abuse - 'like a satanic mass'!

What do the facts reveal about the paedophile clergy of Papal Rome in the USA?!

A 2004 study revealed Papal Rome had spent $1 billion settling lawsuits and observed "the end [was] nowhere in sight"!

What do the facts reveal about the paedophile clergy of Papal Rome in the UK?!

How the Word of God describes the real punishment for Rome's evil clergy - in Hell!

How the Word of God describes genuine priests of God - and their holy behaviour!

How Papal Rome's monstrous, abusive, paedophile scandals had their origin in their seminaries!

How Papal Rome's paedophile clergy - just disappeared!

Why does Papal Rome think it can deal with paedophilia and adultery - but retain 'celibacy'?

Where does the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI fit in all this?

Who had the power to cover-up in such a manner other than the 'infallible' John Paul II?

Confidential Vatican document proves Papal Rome's policy called for absolute secrecy over sexual abuse by priests!

Papal teaching means the abused knows they will be 'damned to hell' if they tell anyone about the abuse they suffered!

There are just as many sexual scandals involving 'Protestants' and Jews?

The Anglican cult in the UK has recently been found guilty of 'relatively few' examples of abuse and paedophilia!

Pope Francis claims: 'In the Curia, there are holy people ... but there is also a stream of corruption'!

Popes, cardinals, bishops, and priests without number have been habitual reprobates for centuries!

What about the many women forced into immorality by Papal Rome's 'celibate priests'?!

Commit the 'sin of marrying' & never function as a priest again - but sexually abuse children - and Rome protects you forever!

The example of Apostle Peter repeatedly proves the false view of marriage held by Papal Rome!

John Paul II's Veritatis Splendor condemns "intrinsically evil" behaviour which a high percentage of Papal clergy practice!

Another result has been a large number of AIDS cases among the priests of Papal Rome!

April 2012 - first Roman Catholic official accused of protecting abusive priests by moving them from parish to parish?!

In 2007 alone the Catholic Church in America paid $615 million to settle abuse cases!

The sex abuse cases should be no surprise since Papal Rome was built on nothing but lies!

Many skeptics opposing the idea that a 'One World Religion' could form fail to consider the role of Mary in Islam! 

The overall figures paid out in compensation by Papal Rome are MUCH HIGHER than $1.6 BILLION!

High-lighting a Lutheran pervert is like attacking 'one of your own' since 'The Joint Declaration of Justification'!

Long before 'Protestants', genuine Christians were persecuted, tortured and executed by Rome!

Papal Rome's wealth was acquired through outright theft - and the 'sale' of salvation!

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